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["Pat Armstrong" <rancher@carolina.rr.com>]

Ernest ftw


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ernest Plutko" <ernestplutko@wiktel.com>
To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Was: Pear Thief, now hazards of relocating wildlife


Almost everything is a crime in the US.

---- Original Message ----
From: rewagner@centurytel.net
To: rancher@carolina.rr.com, nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Was: Pear Thief, now hazards of relocating
wildlife
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:22:47 -0500

> Robins are protected by international treaty and killing or harassing
> them is a federal crime.
>
>
> From: Pat Armstrong
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:40 PM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Was: Pear Thief, now hazards of relocating
> wildlife
>
>
> I agree Lucky, especially your last sentence...  Robins are not
> considered endangered by our household, I'd bet they'd cook up just
> like dove.   I've heard that you can get rabies from eating the brain
> of a diseased animal, so I'd probably be extremely careful when
> preparing any rodent or mammal for dinner...personally, I'm not fond
> of brains-as-food, so I would not plan on eating the them.. This link
> refers to a couple of cases where those who butchered were not
> careful enough.
> http://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2009/03/articles/animals/cats/eating
> -dog-or-cat-linked-to-rabies-/
>
> Pat 7b
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Dr. Lucky Pittman
>  To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
>  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:01 PM
>  Subject: [NAFEX] Was: Pear Thief, now hazards of relocating
> wildlife
>
>
>  Not bashing on you, Jay, and some may look at me as a heartless
> b@st@rd, but trapping and relocation is not a desirable solution; but
> I don't bend over for the bunny huggers or anthropomorphizing public
> any more, so I'll say it.
>
>  It's better to terminate 'em on the spot.  Shoot to kill, use
> quick-kill traps/snares, or live-trap and terminate.
>
>
>
>  Except in the case of threatened species - which squirrels most
> assuredly are NOT - wildlife biologists are pretty much all on the
> same page in opposing relocation/translocation of problem/depredating
> wildlife.
>
>
>
>  Relocated animals will immediately have to compete with the
> existing population at the site of release for available food,
> shelter, mates, etc., all while avoiding predators - in an area that
> may already be at 'carrying capacity' for that species.  The
> relocated animal &/or members of the pre-existing population are
> likely going to find themselves at a disadvantage - something may
> experience a slow, lingering death due to starvation or injury.
>
>
>
>  By relocating a problem animal to another location, you may also be
> relocating whatever parasites or disease organisms it may be
> carrying, thereby risking transmission to a naïve population.
>
>  The raccoon rabies outbreak that's been running up the
> eastern/northeastern US coast and is now heading west across PA & OH,
> for the past 25 years is the result of some not-so-insightful
> members of then-President Carter's staff/cabinet translocating
> raccoons(some carrying the raccoon strain of the rabies virus) from
> south GA to VA, because they 'missed'  coon-hunting.
>
>
>
>  Depending upon season, you may orphan young which may or may not be
> able to survive without the care of the relocated animal.
>
>  And last, but not least, you may just be dumping your  problem
> animal onto someone else and creating problems for them.
>
>  In some states, there are statutes(though I doubt that they are
> rigorously enforced) prohibiting relocation/translocation of wildlife
> species.
>
>
>
>  I understand that not everyone is comfortable with terminating
> problem animals - even vermin, like squirrels - in a quick humane
> manner,  but it's a preferable solution to trapping and relocating.
> Trapping and relocation may assuage your own personal feelings of
> guilt, but it's not the right thing to do.
>
>
>
>  Properly prepared, squirrel, rabbit, groundhog, raccoon, etc. are
> quite tasty, and very nutritious - especially if they've been eating
> all the fruits of your labors.
>
>
>
>  Lucky Pittman
>
>
>
>  From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jay Cutts
>  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:17 PM
>  To: North American Fruit Explorers
>  Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pear Thief
>
>
>
>  I sometimes live-trap the offending squirrels who have learned a
> naughty behavior and relocate them some miles away. I assume other
> squirrels will move in to take their place but they haven't learned
> the bad habits yet.
>
>
>
> Regards, Jay Jay CuttsDirector, Cutts Graduate ReviewsLead Author,
> Barron's Test Prep Publications800-353-4898 day or eve, 7 days(In NM,
> 505-281-0684)
>  On 8/25/2010 1:18 PM, Robert Bruns wrote:
>
>  I've had squirrels chew through green apricots to get to the pits.
> They are probably after the pips in your pears.  Once one squirrel
> does it, all the other squirrels see it and do the same, stripping
> even a large tree in a few days.
>
>
>
>  Fred
>
>  On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)
> <Sam.Brungardt@state.mn.us> wrote:
>
>
>
>  Caren, squirrels can carry amazingly large fruit, even on power
> lines.  I think they're your thieves. -- Sam
>
>
>
>  From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Caren Kirk
>
>
>  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:09 PM
>
>  To: North American Fruit Explorers
>
>  Subject: [NAFEX] Pear Thief
>
>
>
>  Out of interest, could anyone suggest what would be stealing small
> pears off my Flemish Beaty in July before they've fully grown and
> ripened? It's a small, young tree that I planyed last year that set
> about 8-10 small fruit. However something came and took them at the
> beginning of July. There were absolutely no signs of damage to the
> tree and absolutely no trace of the pears.
>
>
>
>  Animalwise we have quite a family of squirrels in the area but it
> seems to me that they would be too big for a squirrel to carry off.
> We have the odd raccoon, but the tree is too spindly to hold that
> kind of weight without branch damage. My kids show no interest in my
> fruit until it's on a plate in front of them, and they know better.
> As do the neighbours.
>
>
>
>  Any ideas so I can work out a strategy to protect them for next
> year?
>
>
>
>  Caren Kirk
>
>  St. Jerome, QC
>
>
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