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I like to buy my tomato seeds from the folks at tomatofest.com  they annually produce the carmel california tomato festival that has become quite popular

i have stopped growing pear tomatoes cause they always are inferior in texture and

flavor to the other heirlooms   i can get the same density with more flavor with

other types

wynne @jerzyboyz farm in nc washington state, finally feeling fall- had 90degree temps last week

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Grape juice (Kieran &/or Donna)
  2. Re: Well a tomato is a fruit...in search of Yellow Pear
     (Kieran &/or Donna)
  3. Re: Well a tomato is a fruit...in search of Yellow Pear
     (ROBERT W   JUDY A HARTMAN)
  4. plant breeding forum (emellott@telus.net)
  5. Re: plant breeding forum (Doreen Howard)
  6. Re: plant breeding forum (Lon J. Rombough)
  7. Re: plant breeding forum (ROBERT W   JUDY A HARTMAN)
  8. Re: Well a tomato is a fruit...in search of Yellow Pear
     (Lori Rizzo)
  9. Apple bags vs. nylons (Jim Fruth)
 10. Re: More on Ribes (Kieran &/or Donna)
 11. Re: More on Ribes (Lucky.Pittman@murraystate.edu)
 12. The passing of Ken Dooley (Jwlehman@aol.com)
 13. Re: More on Ribes (Douglas Woodard)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:49:01 -0500
From: "Kieran &/or Donna" <holycow@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Grape juice
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I remember that someone who had way too many grapes said the easiest way to do it was to fill a jar with grapes, add water and maybe sugar, put on the lid and process.  I'll bet a blender and a strainer would do a better job.  Donna
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:00:59 -0500
From: "Kieran &/or Donna" <holycow@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Well a tomato is a fruit...in search of Yellow
       Pear
To: <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>,      "North American Fruit Explorers"
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There are small yellow pear tomatoes hat are literally pear shaped, and
larger ones like pastes that are sometimes called by the same name, so we
need to know what they looked like.   I haven't grown any yellow pears, but
I find that the bicolor tomatoes, yellow on top with red streaks underneath
and inside, are low acid, high sugar with good texture.
   And if you have been through a cool wet summer, no tomato will come up
to it's usual flavor potential.  I've ordered tomato seeds in SSE that were
supposed to be terrific, and they taste like nothing grown here.  I'd
suspect the people who offered them had taste bud trouble, but I grew a
variety from NE TN that someone said was his main crop variety, and it did
nothing but split here.  Soils do affect things.  It was a large pear shape,
so I have avoided that shape since.  Good luck!  If you look in SSE, there
will be a while lot of vars under that name, but you may see that one is so
good that they have been passing it around to everyone else.  There is a lot
of info to be studied in a SSE Yearbook.  I like to read all the weather
reports from members across the country.  Donna



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:20:07 -0700
From: "ROBERT W   JUDY A HARTMAN" <hartmansfruit@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Well a tomato is a fruit...in search of Yellow
       Pear
To: <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>,      "North American Fruit Explorers"
       <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Have you looked at the varieties at Totally Tomatoes, http://www.totallytomato.com/<http://www.totallytomato.com/>?  If you haven't I would suggest that you get the paper catalog.  It would be a lot easier to find the tomatoes that you are looking for.  They have many, many kinds of tomatoes.

Bob
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 From: fuwa fuwa usagi<mailto:fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
 To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
 Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:58 PM
 Subject: [NAFEX] Well a tomato is a fruit...in search of Yellow Pear


 Gang:

 The fluffy one is sad, older now, and sadly potentially facing changing taste buds I no longer can grow a yellow pear tomato that matches my memories from decades ago.

 I usually grow a potpourri of tomatoes, and I fondly remember the yellow pear of my youth ,a pleasant mild tasting, low acid tomato that was wonderful when mixed with sharper tomatoes like a Super Beefsteak or Better Boy.  Now a committed full flavor tomato heirloom snob (yeah I still grow Hybrids like Super Beefsteak, Sweet100 and Better Boy too, just in case) I really miss the remembered taste of the Yellow Pear from days gone your in salads and salsas for a contrast.

 I have tried several commercial sources and none are producing the tomatoes of my memory.  What I am getting are ungoshly bland, mushy textured tomatoes that frankly are not worth the space they occupy other than for eye appeal.

 What I suspect is there are many strains of yellow pear and I simply have not lucked out enough to get the right one.  I do know if I encounter it again I will save the darn seeds.

 Anyways, I thought I would put in a request to the good folks at NAFEX that if anyone has a good strain of yellow pear they save seed from if you could spare a few, say 5-10 seeds, so I can get something going next year that is worth a dran

 Obviously we can swap something, all I want is a few starter seeds of a know good parent.

 I thank you for any consideration your give this matter,

 the fluffy one



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:45:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: emellott@telus.net
Subject: [NAFEX] plant breeding forum
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:50:25 -0500
From: "Doreen Howard" <gardendiva@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] plant breeding forum
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I had the same problem, too.  Just received a message that my email was undeliverable after trying 1 day and 1 hour.
Doreen Howard
 ----- Original Message -----
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 To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:45 PM
 Subject: [NAFEX] plant breeding forum


 I tried to subscribe to the plant breeding forum-error comes back about no commands
 Pasted In the message area, type: SUBSCRIBE PBForum-L
 Had nothing in subject.  Has  anyone else  has problems or what am I doing wrong
 Evelyn
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:04:59 -0700
From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] plant breeding forum
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Checked on it - server problem.  The person in charge said there was an
error in setting up the list and the technician who can fix it won't be
back until Monday.  So hold tight.
-Lon Rombough
NEW grape pruning video: http://www.bunchgrapes.com/dvd.html View a
short, low resolution clip here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q58zFY0B1M
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at
http://www.bunchgrapes.com  Winner of the Garden Writers Association
"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
A video about The Grape Grower :
http://cookingupastory.com/index.php/2008/04/18/the-grape-grower/
On Sep 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, emellott@telus.net wrote:

I tried to subscribe to the plant breeding forum-error comes back?about
no commands
Pasted In the message area, type: SUBSCRIBE PBForum-L
Had nothing in subject.? Has ?anyone else? has problems or what am I
doing wrong
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:07:16 -0700
From: "ROBERT W   JUDY A HARTMAN" <hartmansfruit@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] plant breeding forum
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I did it at 12:08 p.m. yesterday and it appeared to work fine.

Bob
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 From: Lon J. Rombough<mailto:lonrom@hevanet.com>
 To: North American Fruit Explorers<mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [NAFEX] plant breeding forum


 Checked on it - server problem. The person in charge said there was an error in setting up the list and the technician who can fix it won't be back until Monday. So hold tight.
 -Lon Rombough
 NEW grape pruning video: http://www.bunchgrapes.com/dvd.html<http://www.bunchgrapes.com/dvd.html> View a short, low resolution clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q58zFY0B1M
 Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden Writers Association "Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
 A video about The Grape Grower : http://cookingupastory.com/index.php/2008/04/18/the-grape-grower/
 On Sep 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, emellott@telus.net wrote:

 I tried to subscribe to the plant breeding forum-error comes back about no commands
 Pasted In the message area, type: SUBSCRIBE PBForum-L
 Had nothing in subject.  Has  anyone else  has problems or what am I doing wrong
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:44:53 -0400
From: "Lori Rizzo" <larizzo@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Well a tomato is a fruit...in search of Yellow
       Pear
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I have Beam's Yellow Pear seeds I can send you - they are a small, beautiful
yellow pear.  Their taste is o.k., but not exceptional - but if you couple
them with some nice sweet red cherry tomatoes, they make a great salad.

Send me your info.

Lori

Lori Rizzo, RN BSN MBA
Health Care Quality Improvement
Pet Training & Behavior Improvement!
Maryville, TN
larizzo@charter.net

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Kieran &/or Donna
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:01 PM
To: fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com; North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Well a tomato is a fruit...in search of Yellow Pear

There are small yellow pear tomatoes hat are literally pear shaped, and
larger ones like pastes that are sometimes called by the same name, so we
need to know what they looked like.   I haven't grown any yellow pears, but
I find that the bicolor tomatoes, yellow on top with red streaks underneath
and inside, are low acid, high sugar with good texture.
   And if you have been through a cool wet summer, no tomato will come up
to it's usual flavor potential.  I've ordered tomato seeds in SSE that were
supposed to be terrific, and they taste like nothing grown here.  I'd
suspect the people who offered them had taste bud trouble, but I grew a
variety from NE TN that someone said was his main crop variety, and it did
nothing but split here.  Soils do affect things.  It was a large pear shape,

so I have avoided that shape since.  Good luck!  If you look in SSE, there
will be a while lot of vars under that name, but you may see that one is so
good that they have been passing it around to everyone else.  There is a lot

of info to be studied in a SSE Yearbook.  I like to read all the weather
reports from members across the country.  Donna

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:26:17 -0500
From: "Jim Fruth" <jimfruth@charter.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Apple bags vs. nylons
To: "NAFEX" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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   This year I tested "Apple Maggot Control Bags (nylon)" that I bought
from Raintree versus Zip-Lock Bags with unbagged apples for a control.  It
will definitely be my last purchase of the nylon bags!
   Both bag types were effective against Apple Maggot but fungi was a big
problem with the nylon bags.  Blotch and Fly Speck are problems here that
affect the outer surface of apples.  Both wash off with a bit of 'elbow
grease' and a Scotch Brite pad but having to clean every apple is a nuisance
and not cost effective.
   Surprisingly, there was much more Blotch and Fly Speck on the nylon
bagged apples than on the unbagged apples.  Predictably, only a few apples
with Zip Lock Bags had any and those that did had a small amount at the stem
end.  An exception was that the earliest summer apples (Beacon and Yellow
Transparent) were not affected with the fungi.
   In conclusion, it is nice that, unlike plastic bags that break down
after being exposed to prolonged sunlight, the nylons can be reused again.
I'll be using the nylons on my earliest summer apples and all others will be
bagged with Zip Lock bags.

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN  56472
For jams, jellies, syrups and more:
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1-877-265-6856 (Toll Free)
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:42:52 -0500
From: "Kieran &/or Donna" <holycow@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] More on Ribes
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <9ED5CEFAD0C14919BD52CF400279A5F8@YOUR20FE224C19>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I have found several PDF files that I don't seem to be able to get a web address for.  If you use this one, you go to Ohio State and you can do a search for gooseberries.  There are several articles available there, the one you want is Fruit ICM News.  It's Ed Mashburn talking about Ribes apparently grown and observed at his Northumberland Berry Works in PA.  First off I notice that he's been testing a lot of the same vars that KY did. I think Ed started it.  I note that both Ed and KY are aiming at commercial production.  I don't know why Glenndale was not tested, it may have a small berry or poor color?  Anyway, what I liked about Ed's speech is that one of the two versions of it is updated in italics, with comments about poor flavor and disease problems that was not covered in the original.  the original paper came out 2002, the other a few months later in 03.  I like at least knowing why certain varieties are being tested and by whom.  We are all a little like sheep, it's
 best to follow where others have succeeded, but at least now I know who the sheep are that I am following.  I'd like a better look at where the others had trouble, so I don't try  going that way.  But I also want to know what they have NOT tried.  The lack of any mention of Glenndale is interesting.  I wonder if Ed tried it, and others, that were found too sickly to be of interest.  Does anyone know how to get hold of his literature, besides this paper on the successes?     Donna

southcenters.osu.edu/horticulture/pdf.../vol-7-no-3-jan-30-03.pdf
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:02:02 -0500
From: "Lucky.Pittman@murraystate.edu" <Lucky.Pittman@murraystate.edu>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] More on Ribes
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID:
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I've got some emails that Ed sent me, archived on the
computer at work; I'll forward 'em to you if there's
anything good in there.  He's the one who originally
suggested Glenndale to me - and it may have been one
of the varieties he sent several years back when I
traded him some acorns & seednuts for some gooseberry
& currant cuttings.
I've not heard from Ed in at least 2 or 3 years, and
his Northumberland Berryworks website doesn't look
like it's got much more than a homepage, put up in 2006.

I don't remember if Richard Moyer has weighed in on
this discussion or not - he was up in the
Bristol/Kingsport area for years, and did a
sabbatical out at Corvallis, I think, and has grown
several gooseberry varieties.

LLP



------- Original Message -------
>From    : Kieran &/or
Donna[mailto:holycow@frontiernet.net]
Sent    : 9/26/2009 9:42:52 AM
To      : nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Cc      :
Subject : RE: Re: [NAFEX] More on Ribes



I have found several PDF files that I don't
seem to be able to get a web address for.  If you use
this one, you go to
Ohio State and you can do a search for gooseberries.
 There are several
articles available there, the one you want is Fruit
ICM News.  It's Ed
Mashburn talking about Ribes apparently grown and
observed at his Northumberland
Berry Works in PA.  First off I notice that he's been
testing a lot of the
same vars that KY did. I think Ed started it.  I note
that both Ed and KY
are aiming at commercial production.  I don't know
why Glenndale was not
tested, it may have a small berry or poor color?
Anyway, what I liked
about Ed's speech is that one of the two versions of
it is updated in italics,
with comments about poor flavor and disease problems
that was not covered in the
original.  the original paper came out 2002, the
other a few months later
in 03.  I like at least knowing why certain varieties
are being tested and
by whom.  We are all a little like sheep, it's best
to follow where others
have succeeded, but at least now I know who the sheep
are that I am
following.  I'd like a better look at where the
others had trouble, so I
don't try  going that way.  But I also want to know
what they have NOT
tried.  The lack of any mention of Glenndale is
interesting.  I wonder
if Ed tried it, and others, that were found too
sickly to be of interest.
Does anyone know how to get hold of his literature,
besides this paper on the
successes?     Donna

southcenters.osu.edu/horticulture/pdf.../vol-7-no-3-jan-30-03.pdf





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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:20:13 EDT
From: Jwlehman@aol.com
Subject: [NAFEX] The passing of Ken Dooley
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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Dear NAFEX net members.

It is with great sadness I report the passing of Ken Dooley. Ken just
turned 96 this past Monday. His son reported he passed peacefully having suffered
kidney failure and was in a hospital just a few days. ?Ken was an active
fruit grower as well as walnut hybridizer and mentor to nut and fruit growers
everywhere.

At the 100th annual meeting of the Northern Nut Growers meeting this past
summer at Purdue, Ken was awarded a Life Time Achievement Award by the
Indiana Nut Growers (INGA). Ken was a founding father and charter member of INGA.
?We are greatly indebted to Ken Dooley.

Funeral plans are presently being made. Next Saturday is being considered
for the funeral to give those from a distance more travel time off work.

The funeral home is Raven Choat at Marion, IN. The obituary will be
available at:???? http://ravenchoate.com/obituaries.aspx. Arrangements will also be
available at their web site.

Jerry Lehman, Pres. INGA
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:32:10 -0400
From: Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] More on Ribes
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See
<http://southcenters.osu.edu/horticulture/pdf-documents/2003-icm-fruit-news/vol-7-no-3-jan-30-03.pdf>


Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada

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Kieran &/or Donna wrote:
I have found several PDF files that I don't seem to be able to get a
web address for.  If you use this one, you go to Ohio State and you
can do a search for gooseberries.  There are several articles
available there, the one you want is Fruit ICM News.  It's Ed Mashburn
talking about Ribes apparently grown and observed at his
Northumberland Berry Works in PA.  First off I notice that he's been
testing a lot of the same vars that KY did. I think Ed started it.  I
note that both Ed and KY are aiming at commercial production.  I don't
know why Glenndale was not tested, it may have a small berry or poor
color?  Anyway, what I liked about Ed's speech is that one of the two
versions of it is updated in italics, with comments about poor flavor
and disease problems that was not covered in the original.  the
original paper came out 2002, the other a few months later in 03.  I
like at least knowing why certain varieties are being tested and by
whom.  We are all a little like sheep, it's best to follow where
others have succeeded, but at least now I know who the sheep are that
I am following.  I'd like a better look at where the others had
trouble, so I don't try  going that way.  But I also want to know what
they have NOT tried.  The lack of any mention of Glenndale is
interesting.  I wonder if Ed tried it, and others, that were found too
sickly to be of interest.  Does anyone know how to get hold of his
literature, besides this paper on the successes?     Donna

southcenters.osu.edu/horticulture/pdf.../vol-7-no-3-jan-30-03.pdf



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