Thankyou,mr Eggers, my grand uncle said times can't be too bad, because people aren't picking dandelions.--People don't have two nickles to rub together, if they're not borrowed.oops, there I go again...matt,peace
--- On Sun, 3/29/09, william Eggers <wce1482@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: william Eggers <wce1482@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] weather to economics, OT
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 9:45 AM
This looks like a 2 part message and so I will reply in 2 parts. First about the taxing. You are assumming that we are experencing climate change and maybe we are, but remember Y2K and other problems that never happened. This climate change seems to be the "in" thing right now. Maybe next year, we will be all excited about falling meteors or some other reason that the world is falling apart. If we feel we need to tax someone, how about the 2% that owns so much. Second, about fruit, you are behind the times. As times get worse, and I think they will get much worse before they get better, more and more people will want that fallen fruit. People used to say that they didn't have time to get it. This was so when people were working, but when so many are out of work they have plenty of time to gather fallen fruit
and a financial desire to do so. Well, so much for my ranting.
--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Naomi Counides <naomi@oznayim.us> wrote:
From: Naomi Counides <naomi@oznayim.us>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] weather to economics, OT
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:45 PM
On the one hand adding to the current tax on petroleum products has definite merit towards reducing consumption. On the other hand it will most directly hurt lower income people who cannot afford to trade up to more efficient cars.
On fallen fruit. I do have a certain amount of my own of course and now I am adding nuts. But chickens and goats are happy to help with extras. I generally make arrangements with local real farmers to pick up what falls down. And then there are the after Halloween pumpkins.
Naomi
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Kieran &/or Donna
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:28 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: [NAFEX] weather to economics, OT
I read an article I mostly disagreed with except for one thing. It said if you want to reduce consumption, tax it. We already do that with tobacco and alcohol, so why not with oil? If the govt would say, we need to do this for our own good, and here is a tax break on your income or something else to make it all even, I don't think Americans would be all THAT mad. Personally, I think that anytime you trade your money for something you are going to burn up, you are making yourself poorer. We could do a whole lot better conserving on gas, and would be richer for it. Yet one more reason to grow our own food, to reduce "food miles" and the gas to move the stuff. So it's not so off topic.
Which reminds me, my son is up in WA where it's like falling on your face easy to grow all the fruit that I have to scrabble so hard to even keep alive. My other son commented that though everyone with fruit trees in their yards gets plenty of fruit, and may even appreciate it, few of them bothered to preserve any of it for the winter. He said that Davy had 2 trash cans filled with winter apples, and a freezer full of stuff. Around here, I have been watching the apple trees in older neighborhoods being cut down because people are tired of all that fruit on the lawn. Even people with kids go buy from the grocery. Yet for a kid, being able to go pick something and eat it on the spot is terrific fun. Donna
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