Anthony,
I am in zone 5, but weather has been zone 6 in recent years. Unfortunately, I do not pay much attention to linking sweetness to varieties, but grow about 7 kinds from mostly from One Green World (Blue Moon, Blue Velvet, Berry Blue, Blue Bird, Kamachatka, a few more whose names escape me at this time). I doubt that I have had fruit from all of them, though. I leave the fruit on for some time after they turn blue before picking. Typically, I'll feel the berry before picking it, looking for tenderness or "give". Taste does vary from person to person. I routinely enjoy aronia and wild autumn olives, so I may not be as sensitive to tartness as others, allthough I would not call either of them sweet.
John
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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 72, Issue 18 ( Honeyberry question for John S )
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John,
You are the first to say Honeyberries are sweet, what variety did you plant ?
What zone are you in ?
Thanks Anthony z4b
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:27:10 -0500 (EST)
From: "Martha L. Davis" <martha_davis@earthlink.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Blue Berries & soil
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One of the things I remember about blue berries is that they have a high iron
requirement like many acid lovers. Iron becomes more available at lower pH.
Martha
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:44:39 -0600
From: "MARIE ASHTON" <bwoodtx@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] propagating lemons
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An excellent website on grafting citrus is located at:
http://members.fortunecity.com/pjsauber/
click on the type of graft you want to do on the left side of the page. He has
propagated citrus about every way you can.
Paul Sauber is very
helpful if you need to contact him.
Regards,
Richard Ashton
Oak Creek Orchard
www.oakcreekorchard.com
bwoodtx@verizon.net
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What is the best method for propagating lemon trees? A friend has an
excellent plant and wants to replicate. I told them I'd be happy to do some
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Jim,
Did you post the names and/or source of your varieties?
Then again, my zone - 9ish - may be completely too warm. So, group - anyone
having success with these in the warmer zones?
If my daughter's still in Russia in the Spring, I'll ask her if
honeyberries
are available.
~ Stephen
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Pat Holloway from the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, tasted a number
of cultured Lonicera(s) on her visit to Russia. She said that those that
are available here in the U.S. are bland by comparison to some of the other
(Russian) varieties. The two varieties I grow are so packed with flavor
that I cannot imagine another berry having more flavor but, if Pat said it,
it has got to be true.
Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN 56472
For jams, jellies & syrups:
www.bberryfarm.com
(877)265-6856 [Store]
(218)831-7018 [My Cell]
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:35:37 -0800 (PST)
From: John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Honeyberry
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Jim,? My honeyberries are sweet and I would not think of comparing to aronia.?
Any chance you are picking early?? Mine color up a long time before they are
ready to eat (a month?)
John
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Subject: [NAFEX] Honeyberry
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Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:12 PM
Ernest Plutko wrote, "I've been thinking about buying honeyberries
also.
Look at Burnt
Ridge Nursery They have four types of honeyberries and their prices
are more reasonable. Research on internet shows most people thought
honeyberries are tiny and have a bland flavor. Some people say they
are great for jam. I never ate any honeyberries so
I don't have an
opinion. I'm wondering if honeyberry grows best in acold climate.'
I grow Honeyberry here in zone 3. I wouldn't necessarily call then
tiny
but that depends upon which perspective you use. They are about an inch
long but rod-like, like a skinny tetrahedron. Mine are loaded with flavor.
They are the first fruit to ripen, even before strawberries and are they
ever sour! Fantastic flavor, make a fine jelly and are just a tiny bit
easier to eat out of hand than chokecherries.
Burnt Ridge nursery recommends planting two for better pollination. Of
the four varieties they sell, two are recommended for warm climates and two
for colder areas but I don't remember which two...............and the snow
is too deep to go out and check the tags.
Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN 56472
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www.bberryfarm.com
(877)265-6856
[Store]
(218)831-7018 [My Cell]
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:41:02 -0600
From: "Donna &/or Kieran" <holycow@cookeville.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Calcium tying up boron???
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Yes, raising pH and organic matter make boron less available. We did it,
and it sure did a job on things that needed boron. Mind you, southern clays
are seriously deficient in boron to start with, but when we got done, beets
would not grow, period. We also managed to make Mn less available by doing
both of those things PLUS God
provided some heavy rainfall. I couldn't
stop
the rain, wouldn't have wanted to reduce the organic matter even if I could
have, so only the pH was under my control. I'd add sulfur and the yellow
stripes on the corn leaves would disappear within days. I rescued the corn
like this every summer for about 5 years. Unfortunately the effects of
severe boron deficiency can't be easily gotten rid of; stunted warped
growth
that looks like a virus infection, cracked apples. Neil Kinsey in his book
HANDS ON AGRONOMY says that a foliar boron spray greens up crops so fast
that a farmer can quit anywhere in the field, go home for lunch, and the
line between green plants and yellow plants will tell him right where he
quit. Their level of deficiency was obviously minor compared to ours.
Donna
P.S. Though calcium can prevent Boron uptake, boron controls calcium
transport in the plant. Without boron,
the plants show Ca deficiency
symptoms. Since Calcium slows the spread of viruses, I have bugged some
rose nuts to throw borax around wild multifloras infected with rosette virus
to see if it stops the "virus" or maybe a real virus. It looks like
a very
exaggerated version of what happened to my tomato plants in the bad old low
boron days.
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:59:42 -0600
From: "Donna &/or Kieran" <holycow@cookeville.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pictures?
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I would advise all of you with long term plans to take photos of your place
from various angles, and take them every year or two from the same place if
possible. I wish we had done this. I know we have a couple of photos from
the first few years we owned the place. There have been so many changes, I
wish we'd documented them. I remember the little tiny bamboo patch, taking
a photo over the top of it. Now there's no way we can look down through
the
bamboo to see the lower slope. The first winter we planted wheat and oats
for a cover crop, they were stunted and yellow. Now all I have are
snapshots in my mind. "We were standing right here when we all saw that
tree fall down, and now we can't even see the spot where it stood."
"Remember when this whole slope was nothing but tree tops left over from
logging, blackberry vines you couldn't get around in, and gravel?"
That
sort of thing. A few snapshots would really have helped. Donna
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