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["Cliff" <cmbarley@inreach.com>]

Sadly we lead by example and now Frank is teaching his son and brother to be
the same way. Unless they are lucky enought that when they get older and
look at him they see a sad exhistence and don't want the same. Different
people pick up different things from viewing the same thing.
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>    1. Re: Drops, Apricot (kieran or donna)
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>    3. Re: Drops, Apricot (Lucky Pittman)
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> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:50:14 -0500
> From: "kieran or donna" <redherring@tnaccess.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Drops, Apricot
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> Chris,  That E. coli will be killed by cooking, the only problem people
were having with it was in unpasteurized apple cider.  I suspect if the
cider were fermented, the E. coli would be swamped out no longer infective.
Just goes to show that the production of alcohol can be beneficial.  ( I was
just reading in a book on the Little Ice Age that when apple crops failed
and the peasants had to drink water instead, that they were more prone to
water borne illnesses.)  Also, a study showed that cinnamon would kill or
inhibit that bacteria.  So it's safe to use your drops, as I expect most of
them will be damaged enough you'll have to cook or ferment them.  Donna
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> From: "kieran or donna" <redherring@tnaccess.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Fwd: Pomegranate Fruit Bars
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> Rivka,
>      My first thought was that they are made from wheat flour so I can't
eat them, and second thought is that they probably have so much added sugar
that I wouldn't WANT to eat them anyway.
>     My third thought was that according to the Blood Type Diet, some
people aren't supposed to eat pomegranates.  That's something I've never
seen mentioned here, is that diet.  I find his books interesting whenever I
pick them up and read his theories, till I get to the actual food lists.
That's when the smoke starts coming out of my ears.  The books are so full
of botanical errors that I tend to doubt anything the guy says.  I kind of
suspect that Dr. D'Adamo has merely listed enough potential allergens to
avoid that a lot of people are going to feel better if they try it.  I have
met others initially skeptical who have heard so many success stories that
they now recommend the diet.  If you haven't come across his books, you
should have a look, if only to acquire the notion that plants contain toxic
lectins that can affect animals that eat them.  I know this much is true
because in looking up info on beans, I read about toxic lectins in exotic
species of beans that can be
>  removed by prolonged cooking, leaching, etc.  However, here are some of
my objections to his diet:
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> Blood type O is told that some Brassica oleracea varieties are beneficial,
some should be avoided.  These are all the same species.  Likewise, one type
is told turnips are beneficial, chinese cabbage bad.  Same species.  They
cross in my garden, and I save the seeds as the crosses are milder and
tenderer than turnip greens but a lot hardier than chinese cabbage.
>     Type B is told to avoid corn and wheat because they act as insulin
mimics and make people gain weight.  This means that if I just fed more of
them to my husband that we might finally be able to get the poor guy up over
150 lbs.
>     The constant inclusion of "copper bean" drives me wild.  To my
knowlege, no such thing exists, and I know a lot about beans!  However, to
his credit, his weird list of good and bad beans for type O exactly fits the
experiences of a type O friend who can eat some beans but not others.
Unfortunately the author never gives any rule of thumb so that I who grow
and eat many heirloom beans with names like "Margaret Best's White Greasy"
and "Hickler Stick" and "USDA # 248509" have no idea whether these are
really good for me or really bad for me!  I do know that white beans are
more prone to disease in cold soils than other beans, while purple beans are
the most cold hardy.  It seems likely that the red, black, and brown colors
represent chemical protectants that could have other actions in the body of
those who eat them.  Lima beans, for example, have more toxins in colored
beans than in white ones.
>     By the time you get to his 2nd or 3rd book, you will notice that he
tells all 4 blood types to avoid wheat.  (Incidentally, from book 1 onward
he tells us all to avoid pork, with no explanation.  Funny thing that the
Okinawans who eat a diet based on pork live longer than anyone else on
earth.)  He tells me, type O, to avoid wheat, which I do faithfully, but
also says I can eat spelt and Ezekial bread.  He appears to be unaware that
there is something called "Celiac Disease" which requires avoiding ALL
gluten containing grains.
>     Now I'd like ya'lls opinion sometime on his list of fruits.  I haven't
sat down and gone through the lists of fruits like I have the vegetables and
grains.  But I'll bet that if a few of you pick up a secondhand copy of one
of Dr. Adamo's books for some winter reading, that you'll have some comments
to make on his fruit lists.  Either you'll think they are rubbish or you'll
find that some friend's blood type and experiences fit his lists.  I find
his notions interesting, even if he doesn't seem to know a damned thing
about plants.      Donna
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> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:11:22 -0500
> From: Lucky Pittman <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Drops, Apricot
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> At 09:50 PM 6/28/2006, Donna wrote:
> >  I suspect if the cider were fermented, the E. coli would be
> > swamped out no longer infective.  Just goes to show that the
> > production of alcohol can be beneficial.
> I suspect that you're correct, but I'd have to dig through some
> papers to be certain that it wouldn't survive along with the
> fermenters - the O157/H7 strain is an odd and somewhat tough
> bugger.  For most intents & purposes, it's only commonly found in the
> GI tract of cattle on feed( a grain-based ration, as is fed in
> feedlots, for fattening cattle headed for slaughter; or perhaps
> lactating dairy cattle); grass or forage-based diets seem not to
> favor persistence of O157/H7 in the bovine intestinal tract.
>
> >( I was just reading in a book on the Little Ice Age that when apple
> >crops failed and the peasants had to drink water instead, that they
> >were more prone to water borne illnesses.)  Also, a study showed
> >that cinnamon would kill or inhibit that bacteria.
> Donna, I'd remembered you mentioning that in a phone conversation we
> had - I had a scouring baby calf a week or so back, and had no
> commercial antimicrobials on hand to treat it with - I mixed in a
> couple of teaspoons of ground cinnamon  and a teaspoon of turmeric -
> along with some KCl(salt substitute) and baking soda, in with the
> milk I tubed the calf with, and it was better the next day - but, I'm
> not saying that any or all of the aforementioned substances had any
> effect - the calf might have been fine with no treatment
> whatsoever.  Purely anecdotal; but I'll probably use cinnamon again.
>
>
>
> >So it's safe to use your drops,
> I made a batch of crabapple jelly last weekend from drops - my son
> had been mowing the orchard, and as he passed too closely to the Kerr
> crab, the big rear tire on the tractor caused a couple of
> heavily-laden branches to 'catapult' most of their crop onto the ground.
>
> Lucky
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