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That's the same thing TC from WI says!  :)
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Marv from Montana says, " The best time to use Round up to kill a hard  to
kill plant is just before freeze up in the fall.  When the  plant is
starting to take the nutrients down to store for winter it  will also take
the chemical down deeper and therefore do a better job of  killing that
plant, also the stress of winter adds to your  success.  We have been using
this time of the year here in dry  land wheat area to kill hard to kill
grasses in no till farming with  great success and with less chemical."