North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio

[Louisa Rogoff Thompson <louisathompson@erols.com>]

Does anyone have any experience with or information about using native 
grasses or legumes in orchards?
Louisa Thompson
(southcentral PA)

nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:

> Send nafex mailing list submissions to
>         nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. RE: Cicadas, eating thereof (Ed Fackler)
>   2. Re: Cicadas, eating thereof (Bill Russell)
>   3. groundcovers (David Doud)
>   4. Re: St. Augustine grass (Richard O'Barr)
>   5. Re: Cicadas, eating thereof (rob hamilton)
>   6. book: Pruning and Training Fruit Trees (Teghtmeyer, Suzanne R)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:04:29 -0400
> From: "Ed Fackler" <efackler@woh.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
> To: "longdistshtr" <longdistshtr@shtc.net>,     "North American Fruit
>         Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <KPENKALHIDMLCHGPDECIOEDDCKAA.efackler@woh.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Doc:
>
>     Jerry's life-long diet of cicadas and turnip juice is the reason why he
> so intelligent.................
>
> Ed, So. Ohio, rains makin' dandelions bloom every 10 mins.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of longdistshtr
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:20 AM
> To: NAFEX
> Subject: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
>
>
> As Jerry Lehman mentioned in his American Persimmon Interest Group Article
> (Pomona, Spring '04) some Native American diet items have gone unappreciated
> over the years. However uninformed this information may seem, there is an
> element of fact in it.
> Being that this is a target year for the emergence of tenerals from all
> those grubs which have been gnawing our delicate feeder roots for almost two
> decades, there is a chance for revenge and also to revive a favored fare of
> this Land's former inhabitants.
> They are surprisingly delicious and in some parts of the Country there will
> be plenty of them to sample if you are so inclined.  Try 'em. You'll
> probably like 'em.  The females are best. The listed site has several
> recipes.  I'd advise one to stay away from the saturated fat in the
> chocolate covered ones. Leave a few to serenade me with their "July Fly
> Overture" on a hot summer afternoon while I sip my Mint Julep.
>
> http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/pdf/cicada%20recipes.PDF
>
> Doc Lisenby
> Zone 7/8 (SC-whar we don't know nothin' 'bout no 'simmon puddin' but the
> 'possums are good 'n fat)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nafex mailing list
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>
> **YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED TO POST!**
> All other messages are discarded.
> No exceptions.
> ----
> To subscribe or unsubscribe, go to the bottom of this page (also can be used
> to change other email options):
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
>
> File attachments are NOT stripped by this list
> TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM COMPUTER VIRUSES!
> Please do not send binary files.
> Use plain text ONLY in emails!
>
> Message archives are here:
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
>
> NAFEX web site:   http://www.nafex.org/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:14:57 -0700
> From: "Bill Russell" <shaman@pennswoods.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
> To: "longdistshtr" <longdistshtr@shtc.net>,     "North American Fruit
>         Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <003601c42eef$cf46c680$9c5da30c@e5m2i8>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Check this out:
>
> http://www.chiprowe.com/magrev/insects.html
>
> Bill
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "longdistshtr" <longdistshtr@shtc.net>
> To: "NAFEX" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:20 AM
> Subject: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
>
>
>  
>
> > As Jerry Lehman mentioned in his American Persimmon Interest Group Article
> > (Pomona, Spring '04) some Native American diet items have gone
> >    
> unappreciated
>  
>
> > over the years. However uninformed this information may seem, there is an
> > element of fact in it.
> > Being that this is a target year for the emergence of tenerals from all
> > those grubs which have been gnawing our delicate feeder roots for almost
> >    
> two
>  
>
> > decades, there is a chance for revenge and also to revive a favored fare
> >    
> of
>  
>
> > this Land's former inhabitants.
> > They are surprisingly delicious and in some parts of the Country there
> >    
> will
>  
>
> > be plenty of them to sample if you are so inclined.  Try 'em. You'll
> > probably like 'em.  The females are best. The listed site has several
> > recipes.  I'd advise one to stay away from the saturated fat in the
> > chocolate covered ones. Leave a few to serenade me with their "July Fly
> > Overture" on a hot summer afternoon while I sip my Mint Julep.
> >
> > http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/pdf/cicada%20recipes.PDF
> >
> > Doc Lisenby
> > Zone 7/8 (SC-whar we don't know nothin' 'bout no 'simmon puddin' but the
> > 'possums are good 'n fat)
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nafex mailing list
> > nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> > **YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED TO POST!**
> > All other messages are discarded.
> > No exceptions.
> > ----
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe, go to the bottom of this page (also can be
> >    
> used to change other email options):
>  
>
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> >
> > File attachments are NOT stripped by this list
> > TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM COMPUTER VIRUSES!
> > Please do not send binary files.
> > Use plain text ONLY in emails!
> >
> > Message archives are here:
> > https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
> >
> > NAFEX web site:   http://www.nafex.org/
> >    
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:30:07 -0500
> From: "David Doud" <doudone@netusa1.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] groundcovers
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <033f01c42ed8$c8be8800$f9b1b83f@hal>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> my 2 cents: - -Orchard grass;  tough and coarse - as mentioned a 'clump grass',  if left unmowed will get >12" tall and rabbits and mice love the areas between the clumps - - good if you are running equipment over it and mow regularly,  but I consider it a high maintanance cover - 
> clover; of various specie,  tends to become a weed,  tends to be tolerant of common herbicides,  attractive to pollinators during the summer which may bring them into contact with whatever pest control sprays you may be using - Dutch white is low enough to not cause too much grief,  but most species will be rather tall and tough and cause problems if you rotary mow - 
> I used 'Companion',  a proprietary mix of grasses,  on several acres 14 years ago,  and it's nice - and expensive - and certainly by now there is quite a mix of specie that have moved in,  though the area is still rather civilized...
> For somthing that is commonly availibe at an ag supply,  creeping red fescue works well - if you desire a legume,  birdsfoot trefoil is commonly availible and does not become a weed like clover - 
> DOUD,  zone 5z - - your results may vary....
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: 
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex/attachments/20040430/09fe92ee/attachment-0001.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:22:21 -0500
> From: "Richard O'Barr" <aatopgunaa@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] St. Augustine grass
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <003901c42ee0$1476d2a0$979daec7@59p7401>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> There is a St. Ausustine lawn in B'Ham, AL that has been growing there for
> about 50 years.
>                                           Topgun
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lucky Pittman" <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:45 AM
> Subject: [NAFEX] St. Augustine grass
>
>
>  
>
> > At 04:36 PM 4/29/2004 -0500, RW Spalinger wrote:
> >    
> >
> > > I planted patches of St. Augustine grass in the orchard and as it grows,
> > > it chokes out the Bermuda grass. I'm not sure that St. Augustine is the
> > > best choice for ground cover, but it does not grow as tall as bermuda,
> > >      
> and
>  
>
> > > is much thicker and easier to mow. The roots are shallow and I find many
> > > earthworms within the roots whenever I did up a patch to make room for a
> > > new tree. To me it also is better looking than Bermuda weed.
> > >      
> > St. Augustine is not very winter-hardy.  I've never seen it survive
> >    
> farther
>  
>
> > 'north' than the zone 7/8 interface.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nafex mailing list
> > nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> > **YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED TO POST!**
> > All other messages are discarded.
> > No exceptions.
> > ----
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe, go to the bottom of this page (also can be
> >    
> used to change other email options):
>  
>
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> >
> > File attachments are NOT stripped by this list
> > TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM COMPUTER VIRUSES!
> > Please do not send binary files.
> > Use plain text ONLY in emails!
> >
> > Message archives are here:
> > https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
> >
> > NAFEX web site:   http://www.nafex.org/
> >    
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
> To: longdistshtr <longdistshtr@shtc.net>, North American Fruit
>         Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <20040430184446.54046.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> One of the links suggested that Japanise Beatles being
> edible.  Next month I will have enough to eat and put
> up for storage.  Anyone got a recipe for JB jam? :)
>
> Actally, I dont think I could stand popping them in my
> mouth (at least the adults), but I wish I could get
> the birds interested in them.
>
> Robert
>
>
> --- longdistshtr <longdistshtr@shtc.net> wrote:
>  
>
> > As Jerry Lehman mentioned in his American Persimmon
> > Interest Group Article
> > (Pomona, Spring '04) some Native American diet items
> > have gone unappreciated
> > over the years. However uninformed this information
> > may seem, there is an
> > element of fact in it.
> > Being that this is a target year for the emergence
> > of tenerals from all
> > those grubs which have been gnawing our delicate
> > feeder roots for almost two
> > decades, there is a chance for revenge and also to
> > revive a favored fare of
> > this Land's former inhabitants.
> > They are surprisingly delicious and in some parts of
> > the Country there will
> > be plenty of them to sample if you are so inclined. 
> > Try 'em. You'll
> > probably like 'em.  The females are best. The listed
> > site has several
> > recipes.  I'd advise one to stay away from the
> > saturated fat in the
> > chocolate covered ones. Leave a few to serenade me
> > with their "July Fly
> > Overture" on a hot summer afternoon while I sip my
> > Mint Julep.
> >
> >
> >    
> http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/pdf/cicada%20recipes.PDF
>  
>
> > Doc Lisenby
> > Zone 7/8 (SC-whar we don't know nothin' 'bout no
> > 'simmon puddin' but the
> > 'possums are good 'n fat)
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nafex mailing list 
> > nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> > **YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED TO POST!**
> > All other messages are discarded.
> > No exceptions.  
> > ----
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe, go to the bottom of
> > this page (also can be used to change other email
> > options):
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> >
> > File attachments are NOT stripped by this list
> > TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM COMPUTER
> > VIRUSES!
> > Please do not send binary files.
> > Use plain text ONLY in emails!
> >
> > Message archives are here:
> > https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
> >
> > NAFEX web site:   http://www.nafex.org/
> >    
>
>
>
>         
>                 
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover 
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:29:49 -0500
> From: "Teghtmeyer, Suzanne R" <srt175f@smsu.edu>
> Subject: [NAFEX] book: Pruning and Training Fruit Trees
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID:
>         <CDF9B45FD813084B8B95FA3E609AB85B01E21BA4@jade.SPRINGFIELD.SMSU.EDU>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Has anyone seen this book and be willing to comment on it?
> A person can look at the table of contents and such at Amazon.com, but
> I'm asking for personal accounts.
>
> Pruning and Training Fruit Trees
> by Warren Somerville (Author) 
> Paperback: 144 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.50 x 10.00 x 7.00 
> Publisher: Butterworth-Heinemann; (May 16, 1997) 
> ISBN: 0750689315
>
> Thanks!!
> ----Suzi Teghtmeyer
> Paul Evans Library of Fruit Science
> Missouri State Fruit Experiment Station and Mid-America Viticulture and
> Enology Center, 
> Southwest Missouri State University, Mountain Grove Campus
> Evans Library Homepage: http://library.smsu.edu/paulevans/
> AgNIC Viticulture site:
> http://library.smsu.edu/paulevans/viticulture1.shtml
> Email: srt175f@smsu.edu
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: 
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex/attachments/20040430/0ed5bfcd/attachment.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> nafex mailing list 
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>
> **YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED TO POST!**
> All other messages are discarded.
> No exceptions.  
> ----
> To subscribe or unsubscribe, go to the bottom of this page (also can be used 
> to change other email options):
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
>
> File attachments are NOT stripped by this list.
> TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM COMPUTER VIRUSES!
> Please do not send binary files.
> Use plain text ONLY in emails!
>
> Message archives are here:
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
>
> NAFEX web site:   http://www.nafex.org/
>
>
> End of nafex Digest, Vol 15, Issue 55
> *************************************
>
>