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[Tom Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net>]

Hi,

It is funny...

When I think of "apple juice" I envision a large can of processed apple 
juice, that is very unappealing.  I
would never call freshly pressed apples "apple juice" (although that is 
exactly what it is), because the taste
is beyond "superior" to canned (or pasteurized) juice.

Having tasted cider directly from the press, and then the same cider 1 hour 
later, the taste does diminish with
the passage of time.  I assume that heat does nothing to improve it either.

Later,
Tom

Joe Hecksel wrote:

> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > So is "perry" freshly pressed pear juice and "cider" freshly pressed
> apple juice?
>
> My understanding is that perry is typically fermented pear juice.
> Cider is fermented apple juice nearly everywhere except North America,
> where we assume that it is apple juice.
>
> Even in North America it used to mean apple juice in various states of
> fermentation.  I know many an old-timer who laments the near universal
> sterilization of apple juice.  They like a slight CO2 tingle to their
> cider.  It just does not taste right to them.
>
> I predict that "cultured" ciders will hit the market in the next five
> years.  They will be analogous to cultured yogurts.  Cultured apple
> juice has several selling points.
> -It recaptures the taste of old cider
> -The cultured organisms will shoulder aside any bad-nasties that drop
> into the jug out of the sky
> -If stored in a 65F room it will turn into hard cider with no tax hit
>
> Champaign yeast has been the most robust fermenter.  Unfortunately, it
> also ferments at refrigeration temperatures and has a near neutral
> flavor profile.  It does not add much to the flavor.
>
> The other yeasts I used were either excrutiatingly slow fermenters or
> had "airplane glue" odors that required 4 weeks to age out of.
>
> >
> > I realized everyone understands what is meant, when someone
> prefixes "cider" with various fruit names, but
> > technically does "cider" refer to apples?
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> >
>
> --
> Joe Hecksel
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Thomas Olenio
Ontario, Canada
Hardiness Zone 5b