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["Sam Brungardt" <sam739is@hotmail.com>]

My apologies to all for sending this to the entire list; it was meant to be 
a private message, and I didn't mean to reawaken what for me was a very 
unpleasant episode. --Sam Brungardt

> From: "Sam Brungardt" <sam739is@hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Cherries -- Longish, questions and comments
> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:56:59 -0500
>
> Hi, Dave.  This is Sam Brungardt, down in St. Paul.  I can't remember 
> whether we've met personally, but I'm Del's friend, who was "outed" by 
> Fluffy Bunny after I privately objected to him about his use of 
> limp-wristed liberals.
>
> I read with great interest your message, and it occurred to me that it 
> might be good to have Yellow Glass in your cherry collection.  This 
> cultivar has been touted as being able to fruit at River Falls, Wis.  
> Perhaps it would be a good measuring stick to compare with the newer sweet 
> cherry cultivars.    Undoubtedly the folks at River Falls enjoy a somewhat 
> milder climate than you do up at Cold Springs.
>
> I do have a question for you.  Which of the tart cherries that you grow are 
> the sweetest when fully ripe?  I'd heard great things about the sweetness 
> of a fully ripe Evans, which fruited for me and the neighbors in 
> harvestable quantity for the first time this summer.  Quite frankly, I 
> didn't find it any sweeter than a ripe Montmorency.  But then, we may not 
> have let the fruit ripen to their full potential, racing to beat the birds 
> to them.  -- Sam
>
> > From: "Griffin Gardens" <griffingardens@earthlink.net>
> > Reply-To: griffingardens@earthlink.net,North American Fruit Explorers 
> > <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Cherries -- Longish, questions and comments
> > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:36:35 -0500
> >
> > Hi Richard,
> >    For what it is worth, these are my survival/recovery stats on cherries
> > for last year in central MN, zone 4a. I say for what its worth because we
> > had an atypical open "prairie" winter with little snow and deep frost, 
> > lots
> > of sun, wind, and low humidity. The low temp was only -17 F, and so damage
> > seems to have been by desiccation, which is not generally the case here,
> > rather than by our usual cold. Such damage is more erratic with the same
> > cultivar having vastly different damage in different locations in the
> > orchard. I have decided that I cannot make any valid conclusions about
> > hardiness based on these results as this kind of winter is only a once in
> > ten or fifteen year event here.
> >    I imagine that your winters are generally like our more typical ones 
> > and
> > so these results would have little usefulness for you as well. Recovery
> > rates may have some meaning though, and my assessment on June 6 gives a
> > rating of good for vigorous re-growth to Kristin, Lapins, Sweet Sept.,
> > Attika, Regina, and Schmidt(best).
> >
> > Ratings are for dieback and are on a scale of 0 - 10, with 0 being dead 
> > and
> > 10 indicating no dieback. Ratings in the first column were made on May 19.
> > The second column(*), on June 6, when recovery assessment of new growth
> > vigor was also noted.
> >
> > SWEET CHERRIES
> >
> > KRISTIN      9   *6
> > LAPINS       9   *8
> >              7   *4
> > ULSTER       7   *4
> > GLACIER      4   *3
> > RAINIER      4   *4
> > VAN          4   *4
> > SKEENA       7   *4
> > SCHMIDT      9   *7
> > SUMMIT       0
> > SWEET SEPT   9   *7
> > HEDELFINGEN  8   *6
> > CAVALIER     8   *6
> > ATTIKA       2   *3
> > REGINA       6   *4
> > SAM          1   *0
> > HUDSON       8   *7
> > BLACK GOLD   0
> >
> >
> > TART CHERRIES - 10 all
> >
> > DANUBE
> > EVANS
> > METEOR
> > MESABI
> > NORTH STAR
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave Griffin
> > Cold Spring, MN
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: <rmelrose@bluemoo.net>
> > > To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >  > Date: 7/28/03 2:11:30 PM
> > > Subject: [NAFEX] Cherries -- Longish, questions and comments
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > I have a bunch of questions (and comments) about cherry-growing in a 
> > cold
> > > climate. The USDA seems to have put my plot of land, which is in 
> > Vermont,
> > > on the 4a/3b border, but I believe the new edition moves it into 4a for
> > > what that is worth. As many of you will probably agree, last winter was 
> > of
> > > the sort-the-men-from-the-boys type, such as we have not had for 
> > several
> > > years. In particular this summer has brought me the unsatisfactory 
> > total
> > of 8
> > > cherries, from a total of about 8 trees which are bearing age! Still, I 
> > am
> > > only mildly discouraged, after all cherry trees are very decorative.
> > >
> > > Question: Winter injury. How permanent is it? I am talking about the
> > damage
> > > that produces tuft leaf growth, presumably corresponding to 
> > considerable
> > > vascular damage. I did not see any trunk damage, but the trees are 
> > wrapped
> > > in nylon-cloth wrap (why is that stuff so expensive?) Here is a little
> > > report in decreasing order of severity:
> > >
> > > Kristen:- Stone dead, even though it was in a quite protected spot.
> > >
> > > Morello:- Severe damage, still has only limited leaf out. This was in 
> > its
> > > fifth year and had grown well, although not in a particularly protected
> > > spot. I will probably leave it over next winter to see, but I suppose 
> > it
> > is
> > > done for. By the way, although listed as a sour cherry this looks much
> > more
> > > like a sweet cherry to me both in leaf and tree character.
> > >
> > > Van Sweet, Yellow Glass, Stella, Stark Gold:- These all lost around 1/3
> > of their
> > > branches, were late in breaking dormancy, initially had only tuft 
> > growth
> > > but have subsequently filled out pretty completely on the remaining
> > > branches. All flower buds killed. The `Yellow Glass' by the way is the
> > most
> > > successful sweet cherry here, no fruit (of course you might say) but in
> > > previous years has flowered heavily, but without a pollinator.
> > >
> > > No need to tell me I shouldn't be trying to grow sweet cherries, I know
> > but
> > > that doesn't stop me from trying!
> > >
> > > Danube (Erdi Botermo), Surefire, Early Richmond:- These three lost a
> > couple
> > > of branches each, were slow to leaf out but seem to have recovered and 
> > are
> > > growing strongly this summer. I was particularly surprised at the 
> > damage
> > to
> > > `Early Richmond'.
> > >
> > > So, does anyone have a guess as to recovery? Should I expect long-term
> > damage
> > > even in the less severely affected trees?
> > >
> > > As to other sour cherries, `Meteor' seems to be the most resilient here
> > > although the oldest tree (6 years) only has a half dozen cherries this
> > > year. The others which survived the winter apparently unscathed are
> > > `Balaton' (with a cherry) and `Bali' (ditto; silly me I have bought 
> > both a
> > > `Bali' and an `Evans' not realizing they were the same -- although my
> > trees
> > > look a bit different in leaf colour). `North Star' (2) I have had 
> > decent
> > > crops from this in the past but nada this year. In fact it seems to be
> > very
> > > susceptible to what I take to be bacterial canker. I lost two trees 
> > (which
> > > were bearing quite heavily) before I realized what was happening, now I
> > cut
> > > it out (viciously) each winter. None of my other cherries seem to get
> > this.
> > >
> > > Question:- Does anyone know the habits of bacterial canker, does it
> > spread?
> > > Does it infect apricots, since something on one `Sungold' looked
> > > suspiciously similar.
> > >
> > > Continuing:- `Mesabi' (young) did fine as did `Montmorency' (the first 
> > of
> > these
> > > seems to be dwarfed by something, possibly soil conditions, the second 
> > was
> > > supposed to be a dwarf but is now larger than the first, although 3 
> > years
> > > younger ..). Also
> > >
> > > Question:- `Erdi Jubileum' does anyone have any experience with the 
> > cold
> > > hardiness of this Hungarian? I planted one this year, as always in 
> > hope.
> > >
> > > Question: Does anyone know how to, preferably legally, import the 
> > Canadian
> > > cherries (where I use the term in the wide sense) `Carmine Jewel',
> > `Galaxy'
> > > and `Rose'? It occurred to me that these might be hardy here and bear 
> > even
> > > in bad years. Even a cutting would be welcome.
> > >
> > > It has not been a great fruit year -- apples have also set very poorly
> > > (including wild trees and usually reliable cultivars), no pears (not to
> > > mention quinces and medlars), few blueberries, dead apricots, no plums;
> > > grump. The bananas aren't doing well either. BUT there are currants,
> > > mulberries (surprising that, the trees are not really hardy but the 
> > buds
> > > must be tough), raspberries and, having rained heavily last week, it is
> > > `porcini' season so who cares!!
> > >
> > > Question:- Does anyone know which bird puts mushrooms in the trees? I
> > > suspect Bluejays, but have not caught them at it.
> > >
> > > Ah, so many questions.
> > >
> > > Richard Melrose
> > >
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