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Haven't heard of caragana being an invasive.

Tanis Cuff, prairie person, southern WI






> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
> Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] re: shade for blackberries
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:28:00 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] [Fwd: Re: [NAFEX] re: shade for blackberries]
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:22:37 -0600
> From: "Kelly Finigan" <kfinigan@telus.net>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
>
> Caragana are used all over the place here.
>
> > Perhaps one of the Prairie members could comment on how invasive
> > caragana might be. It is used considerably in shelterbelt plantings
> > on the Prairies.
>
> When European pioneers came to the prairies (1890's to 1910's) they brought
> caragana with them and used them to set up windbreaks. I've seen lots of
> quite well-behaved shelterbelts around here (they don't get rampantly out 
> of
> control).
>
> > Caragana is a legume and nitrogen-fixing. I understand the Russians
> > have found that it promotes the growth of poplars when they are grown
> > together. I have only seen it at the Dominion Arboretum in Ottawa. It
> > seemed to me that the foliage was relatively sparse and the shade
> > cast correspondingly light.
>
> Yup, its a nitrogen-fixer from Russia. It promotes growth of nearby plants.
> I wouldn't describe the foliage as sparse though, nor the shade as light.
> Sitting in the shade of a row of caraganas is quite fine on a 35C day. I
> don't know if they'll shade blackberries though, because blackberries are
> seldom seen around here.
>
> > I have read of proposals for use of the pea-like seeds of caragana by
> > allowing chickens to run beneath them but I don't know of anyone who
> > has practical experience with this. Possibly someone could be found
> > on the permaculture list.
>
> I haven't seen anyone do this, but I think Mollison has a sketch with
> caragana and chicken runs. I HAVE heard of Russians eating the beans, 
> either
> as vegetable or ground as flour. I have eaten some of the beans and found a
> range of flavours - from nice to quite bitter. Maybe a potential to select
> good tasting varieties and breed for perennial protein?
>
> The bushes (normally 10 to 30 feet tall) can also be coppiced and then form
> very thick hedges good for keeping people (or animals) in/out.
>
> ciao,
> Kelly
>
> Kelly Finigan, M.Sc. P.Eng., Permaculture Designer
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