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- From: Laurie Hanahan <lhanahan@mindspring.com>
- To: Mounted search and rescue <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing
- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:22:14 -0500
Irv,
Thanks for the extensive info re drone use. Very helpful.
When I refer to desensitization, I intend to train a horse not to overreact
to a new stimulus but to remain in control. Of course a horse will alert or
react to everything they encounter or we wouldn't be using them in MSAR. I
think the generic idea with desensitization is to not create a dead horse,
which obviously is not to anyone's benefit, but rather a sensible horse with
appropriate/safe reactions to a new stimulus.
Please excuse my use of the incorrect terminology if that is the case.
Laurie
On Dec 16, 2015 12:06 PM, irvin lichtenstein <ilichten1@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> There are several points raised in this discussion:
> With regard to drone operations:
> First, in the US all non-commercial drones have to have tail numbers
> assigned at time of sale
> And all existing drones will have to be registered by the owner over the
> next 30 days or so.
> The FAA is doing this on-line and the fee is $5 for a 3 year certificate.
> The operator must read
> the drone rules and have liability insurance of some kind to complete the
> process.
>
> Second, US regulations designate areas where drones cannot be flown without
> a special use
> permit. Besides staying under a height above ground limit, usually 400
> feet,
> they cannot be flown
> over public assemblies (sports events, parades, camp grounds) or other
> large
> groups of people.
> Operation in or near the flight paths of manned aircraft, over most
> government
> occupied buildings, schools, hospitals or medical facilities,
> transportation
> facilities, and other
> restricted areas is forbidden. Since taking pictures of lots of stuff is
> forbidden by the Patriot Act
> there are really very few places where a drone can be flown legally.
> Most public recreational areas ban RC aircraft now and it is likely these
> bans will be expanded.
> (Valley Forge National Historic Park has an RC allowed area in a large
> meadow away from
> everything else in the Park that is the only one I know of in the PA-NJ-DE
> area parks.)
>
> Third, commercial use of a drone currently requires a special use permit
> from the FAA and must conform
> to local statute if more restrictive, such as using cameras or infrared
> sensors for surveillance.
> Use of a drone to monitor stock on the range, make promotional videos, drop
> stuff without landing
> (which is even forbidden for manned aircraft), or provide a contracted
> service is considered
> commercial operation. Unless the drone is actually registered to the SAR
> organization it might
> be considered commercial operation to have some third party operate it for
> you.
>
> Violation of the rules is a US federal offense as well as a state, county,
> or municipal offense and some serious
> penalties can result. Buzzing a person could be charged as assault for
> instance and the operator also be held
> civilly responsible for damages and still face federal charges for improper
> operation of the drone. In PA buzzing
> a search horse is a felony by the way and restitution is mandated.
>
> Desensitizing:
> I have never favored desensitizing a horse. A horse can be educated as to
> what a noise is, what a drone is,
> and what the expected reaction is. You never want the horse to ignore
> anything in the field. Depending
> on what it is you may want just an alert, or you may want a drastic
> automatic reaction. This is not necessarily
> easy for the rider. You have to trust the horse and be able to communicate
> with your mount. While I may not want
> my horse to react strongly to a drone I do want him to detect its presence
> and communicate it to me. I may want
> him to stand in the presence of drones, vehicles, bicycles, some animals,
> and just give me a little warning if we
> are departing the area due gunfire, really bad predators (like bears), or
> other dangers where being a short distance
> away is good idea.
>
> Horse are prey animals. It is that alertness and the ability of the horse
> to
> fuse inputs from all his senses and identify
> what he is detecting that makes him a useful search partner. Desensitized
> horses are useless except as transportation
> and may actually be dead horses if they don't pay attention to their
> environment.
> Irv Lichtenstein
> SEPASAR
> www.sepasar.net
> ilichten1@verizon.net
>
>
>
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing
, (continued)
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
irvin lichtenstein, 12/17/2015
- Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing, Jeff Knight, 12/17/2015
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
Laurie Hanahan, 12/16/2015
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
Jeff Knight, 12/16/2015
-
Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
Una Smith, 12/16/2015
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
irvin lichtenstein, 12/16/2015
- Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing, ALLEN SNYDER, 12/17/2015
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
irvin lichtenstein, 12/16/2015
- Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing, ALLEN SNYDER, 12/16/2015
-
Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
Una Smith, 12/16/2015
-
Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
Jeff Knight, 12/16/2015
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
Laurie Hanahan, 12/16/2015
- Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing, Yvette Rollins, 12/16/2015
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
Laurie Hanahan, 12/16/2015
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
G Griffin, 12/16/2015
- Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing, ALLEN SNYDER, 12/17/2015
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
irvin lichtenstein, 12/16/2015
- Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing, Una Smith, 12/16/2015
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
G Griffin, 12/16/2015
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Re: [MSAR] Drone desensitizing,
irvin lichtenstein, 12/17/2015
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