Mounted search and rescue

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Question I live in Indiana an been trying to fine a way get my horses MSAR 
cert. How do I go about doing this.

Shawn

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On Dec 24, 2011, at 10:53, "T'mi Finkle" <tfinkle@erols.com> wrote:

> GSAR: Ground Search and Rescue (searching on foot); certifications as the 
> NASAR SARTECH II or equivalent SAR testing, such as the
> Virginia Field Team Member program.
> 
> Working SAR dogs from horseback is not conducive here on the east coast due 
> to the terrain and I personally do not know of any
> testing/training standards to work SAR K9's from horseback.  I could see 
> where working a SAR dog from horseback could be productive
> in the Great Plains region.  
> 
> T'mi
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org 
> [mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> sleininger@myfrontiermail.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:23 AM
> To: Mounted search and rescue
> Subject: Re: [MSAR] TROTSAR on the news
> 
> T'mi
> 
> What is GSAR?  I have two horses that I have been working with to work with 
> my k9 while she is doing area search.  She also does
> trailing and cadaver, but I have never been on horseback while she is doing 
> those.  But I have not run across the term GSAR.
> 
> Sherrel
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T'mi Finkle" <tfinkle@erols.com>
> To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:37:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [MSAR] TROTSAR on the news
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> You’re welcome Bob, 
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>    • We deployed them with our certified mounted responders once; our team 
> will never do this again. Our Lessons Learned Review
> revealed that untrained persons on horseback during a SAR mission are a 
> safety risk to our members and are a liability issue.  The
> remainder of folks with horses were  told to leave the area. 
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>    • We conduct a multi team night search once each year; our mounted team 
> members love the learning experience. 
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>    • All of our .Mounted Responders are certified as GSAR first before they 
> can deploy as mounted.  Primary we provide mounted
> resources, however, we will augment ground resource in some situations, but 
> the care of the equines come first. 
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> From: msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org 
> [mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Foster 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:37 PM 
> To: Mounted search and rescue 
> Subject: Re: [MSAR] TROTSAR on the news 
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> I really appreciate your advice and help.  Thanks. 
> 
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> How did you handle the volunteer riders? 
> 
> 
> And what type of night training does your team do to prepare for the night 
> search? 
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> 
> Doe your team also work as ground support/searchers as well? 
> 
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> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:01 AM, T'mi Finkle < tfinkle@erols.com > wrote: 
> 
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> 
> Hi Bob, 
> 
> This is a brief overview about one of our most complex search and rescue 
> (SAR) missions our team has had in recent years. 
> 
> Via a response request from the Virginia Department of Emergency Management 
> ( VDEM Mission VA-070-11) , the TROTSAR Mounted Search
> and Rescue Team was dispatched to help find a missing eight year old 
> autistic child on Tuesday October 25 th . The first TROTSAR
> Member arrived on the scene at 1745 hours on Tuesday October 25 th , at the 
> Incident Command Post (ICP) in Doswell Virginia  A MSAR
> base camp was established at 1200 hours on Wednesday at the Virginia State 
> Fair Grounds, Meadow Event Park Stables (stalls 1 through
> 8, at no cost to our team members).  A total of 12 mounted searchers 
> responded to this mission and two dispatchers provided around
> the clock support. Since 12 hour deployment periods were implemented no 
> pack animals were used, but NASAR type SAR packs were
> carried by mounted SAR responders. 
> 
> A variety of TROTSAR members remained on the scene throughout the entire 
> mission, providing around the clock coverage until 1500
> hours on Friday October 28 th . Total of 359 volunteer hours were committed 
> for this mission and 26 search tasks and assignments
> were performed by TROTSAR responders.  Assignments included; mounted tasks, 
> ground SAR tasks, provided task briefings to emergent
> volunteers and planning section duties at the ICP. This mission had a happy 
> ending with the missing subject “Robbie Woods” being
> found alive on Friday afternoon, just a couple of hours before a winter 
> storm was to impact the region. 
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> Overview about Mounted search and Rescue (MSAR) teams: 
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> A wise search manager will not overlook the use of searchers mounted on 
> horseback as a resource.  This is particularly true if there
> are wilderness areas in the vicinity.  But even relatively urban areas can 
> have large parks or nearby farmland that can become
> search sites, and mounted searchers can be deployed there very effectively. 
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> At the outset, we need to make the distinction between trained searchers on 
> horseback and a local horseback rider who volunteers to
> help on a particular search.  While we will discuss the latter later on, 
> our primary focus will be on the former:  A fully equipped
> team of trained searchers mounted on horses that have been specially 
> selected and trained for search work. 
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> Advantages 
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> The horses themselves are valuable as searchers.  Like dogs, horses have 
> highly developed senses of hearing and smell, and they have
> even better eyesight than dogs.  These special skills can be put to good 
> use in a search situation, even though the roles of dogs
> and horses differ greatly.  A search dog's training is based upon his 
> forebear's instinctive skills as a searcher of prey; as a prey
> animal, the horse has survived over the centuries by its ability to detect 
> a predator and escape before being eaten.  Therefore,
> while a horse cannot be expected to consciously search in the same way that 
> a trained air scent or tracking dog does, he is
> instinctively very aware of his surroundings at all times and will alert on 
> anything out of the ordinary, especially the presence of
> another animal -- or a person! -- and he will usually detect such a 
> presence well in advance of the rider.  So, a good search rider
> will investigate anything that attracts the horse's attention. 
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> A mounted searcher is able to carry on the horse food, water, first aid and 
> survival equipment.  The rider's energy will not be
> exhausted as quickly as a ground searcher carrying such equipment in a 
> backpack.  This advantage is especially important in rough or
> mountainous terrain or in extreme weather conditions since the rider may be 
> able to search more effectively for a longer period. 
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> Applications In Search Operations 
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> The ability of the horse and rider to cover large areas quickly can be used 
> to advantage as part of a hasty team.  For example,
> mounted searchers could do a perimeter sweep, cover known trails, ridges 
> and drainages, locate unmapped trails, set up trail and
> road blocks, check track traps (or if the ground is hard or dry, create 
> traps on major trails and area access points), etc.  The key
> thing is to make good use of this highly mobile resource. 
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> But searching on horseback is not necessarily limited to confinement 
> techniques.  Mounted searchers can engage in slow, methodical
> searching, as well.  While horses are usually used to cover trails, mounted 
> searchers can bushwhack to cover assigned search areas
> unless extreme terrain conditions make it unsafe to leave the trail.  They 
> can even be used as grid searchers in fields and open
> woods.  For example, they may well be deployed to cover large open areas as 
> an alternative to aircraft or dogs.  Particularly in the
> case of brush or tall grass, a team of three or four mounted searchers can 
> perform multiple sweeps quicker than ground searchers --
> and more effectively, because of their elevated perspective. 
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> Ms. Tomi` Finkle, CEM, SARTECH II, KB3MKI 
> Chief 
> TROTSAR Mounted Team 
> www.trotsar.org 
> 1-888-MSAR911 (for 24/7 Emergency Dispatch only) 
> 301-412-5249 (cell) 
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> Mission Statement: TROTSAR is a non-profit, incorporated all volunteer 
> based, mounted search and rescue squad. The Team's primary
> purpose is to assist federal, tribal, state and local government agencies 
> by providing certified search & rescue personnel mounted
> on horseback, for lifesaving missions of people who are missing, lost, 
> stranded and/or the rescuing of victims in wilderness, rural,
> suburban or Wide Area Search missions within the Mid-Atlantic region. 
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> From: msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto: 
> msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org ] On Behalf Of Bob Foster 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:50 PM 
> 
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> To: Mounted search and rescue 
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> 
> Subject: Re: [MSAR] TROTSAR on the news 
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> I am a member of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department MSAR team.  
> First did you find the child? 
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> I am in charge of training for our unit.  I am always looking for an 
> opportunity to simulate the facts and circumstances of real
> MSAR events as well as incorporating new training ideas. 
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> Could you send me so info that I could possibly use for training? 
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> What were the circumstances on this search and rescue and what signs/tracks 
> were found by MSAR? 
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> How was your MSAR beneficial in this operation? 
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> When you are out on 12/12 shifts, what do you do as far as food is 
> concerned and do you sleep in your trailers or some other
> shelter?  for you and your horse. 
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> Do you use a pack animal? 
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> What would you say are the mandatory items to carry?  For you as a rider 
> and then for you to give first aid?  
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> I discourage the use of chest lamps for the horse, I think it ruins nigh 
> vision, but I have some team members that swear by the
> light.  What is  your opinion? 
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> Thanks for any help.  We are relatively untested in any operation that has 
> gone more than 12 hours so your opinion is greatly
> appreciated. 
> 
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> 
> Deputy Bob Foster 
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> 
> Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department 
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> Mounted Enforcement Detail/Training 
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> Cell Phone: 661.309.7399 
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> Work Email: rkfoster@lasd.org 
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> Personal email: bfostermed@gmail.com 
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> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:24 PM, T'mi Finkle < tfinkle@erols.com > wrote: 
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> Two of my team members were interviewed by NBC 12, 
> http://www.nbc12.com/story/15884231/ha 
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> TROTSAR Mounted Team has been onsite since Tuesday working two 12 hours 
> shifts daily 
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> T’mi 
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