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[Karen Nesbitt <spanishequines@yahoo.com>]

JORENE - This was posted before your responce regarding the current events of swine flu in Utah.  It was a LIVE  news release.  Hoping the video clip is still active.  I too saw numerous reports on the virus prior to 2009.  However this was a live reel of news from taht area aired in recent days.

 

As for Kenneth Paul, it was the  website below called All About Cutting that reported that an autopsy was preformed on Mr. Paul and to which they said swine flu was beign nvestigated in this autopsy.. to date and still, however....no confirmation has been made to the actual cause of death of Mr. Paul...swine flu however was what the doctors suspected.

 

So if your looking for more information to what you claimed is a rumor, perhaps go to the websites in question that were made with the post.  I am not responsible for any information that may have been changed within the time frame of my post and any updates the sites have made and information on the internet can be changed very rapidly. 

 

Also, if you are gonig on what perhaps wikipedia was saying about the 2009 information posted about swine flu there.. the site though they try are also not up to speed on current events as per the news release the last week regarding the swine flu in Utah to which was a 2011 report this past week.  Wikipedia is notoriously not always up to date on current events, all though they try to be accurate on their subject matter.  Just as I try to be accurate also in passing information.  Thank you.

 

Here was my post prior to your raising question of "rumour".  You can try to go to those links but like I said, I am not responsible if the links have been updated or changed since I too made their post. If you have ever tried to keep up with a website that constitutes many pages.. it is not always easy to be current on all counts of pages.  As for what I brought to the table here for MSAR, the reporting was accurate and to the best of my knowledge and sources  to what those sites posted when I collected the data from them to post here.

 

Glory Ann Kurts on May 9th was the All About Cuttnig reporter and her reprint is below along with the website All About Cutting and to where her article came from.  That website BTW, is quite extensive and numerous obituaries and other news was posted there the very same day.

 

I hope you can access both the news release on the May 2011 Utah report onthe swine flu as well as the All ABout Cutting.

 

I for one am not in the habit of perpetuating rumor.   And if you read thoroughly the websites that were provided and got the news. I do not beleive the sources therein are in the habit of perpetuating rumor either. 

 

The problem herein was that numerous EHV-1 articles were rampant, while the swine flu matter had minimal reporting. 

 

Yup, the information Highway... where somethings go overlooked or under reported.  Thank you for bringing that to everyones attention and if you have more information that calls it a rumour, well then I think reading what was posted will help take care of that and get you the facts you seek or seek additional sources that might substanciate what you think is a rumour.

 

Again, if the information that was provided were  changed by those sites editors, and or updated, I was not irresponsible for what they changed in what I brought forth in what I could only assume was accurate by those sites in real time.

 

If indeed someone has a question regarding the results of Mr. Pauls atopsy and if indeed swine flu was confirmed.. they would bwe best to contact authorities in that state and location and to try to garner that information...

I have not seen any further news reports to update the actual cause of death as stemmed from Glorys report.  So it is unsubstanciated to be calling any of it a rumour since the information is not actually verified.

 

My concern is both people and horses and I dislike inaccurate information just as the next guy.  So see below if that helps you.  And please, the written word is not easily expressed as accurately as a spoken word and something always gets left to interpretation.

 

As for swine flu in Utah and the Odgen cuttng horse event to where EVH-1 started.. neither are rumour and both are prevalant to the best of my knowledge.  I beleive the count  yesterday was  some 80 people were down with the swine flu and some 34 horses as of yesterday were infected with the equine herpes viruse called EVH-1.   The Department of Ag and the state vetrinarians could tell owners of horses in transport what they need to do and asking your own doctor  what he knows and thinks you should do to protect your own health when you travel.

 

We are not trying to cause fear here.  Just raise awareness. 

 

Karen

 

 

------->>>>> (part of the repeat is edited for space...)

 

 

A double whammy here....

 

SWINE FLU IN UTAH - News release...

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6336934&autostart=y

 

Also...a reprint...

 

TRAINER KENNETH PAUL DIES WHILE AT NCHA WESTERN NATIONALS

By Glory Ann Kurtz
May 9, 2011
Kenneth Paul, 35, Estancia, N.M., an NCHA trainer, passed away on Saturday after he had competed and placed in two classes at the Western National Championships in Ogden, Utah. According to reports, he got sick on Thursday and died Saturday morning. There are reports that doctors are thinking it was the swine flu and an autopsy has been done; however, the results have not yet been received.

 

Paul, worked for Cyle Sharp on a ranch in New Mexico. Sharp is the same man that June Mitchell worked for while he was alive. In Ogden, he finished third in the Open Division riding Badger Poo for Stephen Harrington, Estancia, N.M., earning $3,507. He was also a finalist in the $3,000 Novice Horse riding Catsblue Boon, owned by him and his wife Shauna, where he took home an additional $750.

 

According to the NCHA web site, funeral services will be held Saturday, May 14 at 2 p.m. in Moriarty, N.M. at Lonnie Wright’s Rockin K Arena, located six miles north of Moriarty on NM 41, on the east side of the road.

 

Incidently, 

http://blogs.equisearch.com/horsetalk/2011/05/19/ehv-1-outbreak-inside-report-from-an-affected-barn/?amp&amp

 

  Reading the URL above, is this paragrapgh...

 

[Cutter Kenny Paul passed away unexpectedly at the Ogden event, and his daughter's horse then fell ill with and died of EHV-1.]

 

When you click the passed away unexpectedly bar.. it takes you here....

 

 http://allaboutcutting.com/who-what.html 

 

Have not seen the official word on the autopsy of Kenneth Paul regarding what doctors suspected being the swine flu regarding Kenneth Paul, however with the news release above, Utah is definitely having human as well as equine health concerns

 

(wash your hands....)  Dont know how long it takes for Swne Flu to be verified as a cause of death from the time of autopsy.....

        Karen Nesbitt - VMSAR - Iroquois County - Illinois

 

        Karen

 

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   3. Re: Can horses catch Swine flu?? (Jorene Downs)


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Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 21:42:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Nesbitt <spanishequines@yahoo.com>
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GOOD QUESTION!

http://www.suite101.com/content/can-horses-catch-swine-flu-a165913

In short, its not impossible according to that article.. but more importantly, while horses are not generally victims of swine flu people are.
?
Which brings us back to Utah where the news media has said that the swine flu is again pandemic.
?
In reading all the articles on the EHV-1 virus and the cutting horses, it never ceases to amaze me that how an industry can be so self centered on their own situation and fail to realize that CUTTING HORSES ARE NOT A BREED.? And no less how the news media will run with it.
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Makes you really wonder if that association has tracked down all its people that were at the show and what?steps they took to notify other equine associations? ?Surely there is a list of attendees that showed at Ogden?and brought horses to the ring.
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Makes you wonder too how many of the horses got home, maybe died later and no vet was called, and possibly exposed?a neighboring equine or other?farm.? Or one of the cutting horses at the show went trail riding or to another show and got them?exposed?
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CUTTING HORSES ARE NOT A BREED.?Cutting is not limited to just AQHA, APHA or western breeds and many such type?horses are kept at boarding stables where other breeds are present.?? All a cutting horse is is a horse of not any particular breed or color but??of a specific skill and that is to seperate a cow from a herd while? EHV-1 does not seperate a breed of horse, it can?infect any equine?breed, including donkies and mules.
?
Approxiamately 700? horses?at theOgden, Utah cutting horse show event?were? secondary? contacts in the initial public outbreak?of the EHV-1 and to which 34 cases to date? are we aware of that?died and who knows how many other horses have been exposed by those.? And ?what of the handling of the dead animals.? The horses came from far and wide to compete and the virus seems to be reaching out just as far.
?
How many of us here have multi purpose horses that are not only versatile for MSAR, but other jobs on and off ?the ranch and?perhaps at another show event as well?? Those of you that are one horse owners could probably answer that they use their horse not just for MSAR... Those? of us with more than one horse, be it MSAR or not, given your traveling and?location and potential to other exposure.. ?a whole herd at the home ranch or stable could fall victim to the?infection.
?
And back to the swine flu issue, Did Kenneth Paul, a cutting horse trainer die of swine flu?? Dont know.? But it?is however? publically official that his daughters horse did die of EHV-1 and both were at the Ogden, Utah cutting horse event and where Kenneth Paul died on the show ground.
?
While treatable.. EHV-1 is not curable.
?
Swine flu.. wash your hands and there is a vacinne.





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Subject: Re: [MSAR] Can horses catch Swine flu??
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http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/nahss/equine/ehv/
This link is to the USDA site with up-to-date real numbers and good information.  The Situation Report is dated May 19, 2011. 



Jody Benson
Clark County MSAR
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Karen Nesbitt
  To: MSAR ; Mounted search and rescue in Illinois USA.
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 9:42 PM
  Subject: [MSAR] Can horses catch Swine flu??


              GOOD QUESTION!

              http://www.suite101.com/content/can-horses-catch-swine-flu-a165913

              In short, its not impossible according to that article.. but more importantly, while horses are not generally victims of swine flu people are.

              Which brings us back to Utah where the news media has said that the swine flu is again pandemic.

              In reading all the articles on the EHV-1 virus and the cutting horses, it never ceases to amaze me that how an industry can be so self centered on their own situation and fail to realize that CUTTING HORSES ARE NOT A BREED.  And no less how the news media will run with it.

              Makes you really wonder if that association has tracked down all its people that were at the show and what steps they took to notify other equine associations?  Surely there is a list of attendees that showed at Ogden and brought horses to the ring.

              Makes you wonder too how many of the horses got home, maybe died later and no vet was called, and possibly exposed a neighboring equine or other farm.  Or one of the cutting horses at the show went trail riding or to another show and got them exposed?

              CUTTING HORSES ARE NOT A BREED. Cutting is not limited to just AQHA, APHA or western breeds and many such type horses are kept at boarding stables where other breeds are present.   All a cutting horse is is a horse of not any particular breed or color but  of a specific skill and that is to seperate a cow from a herd while  EHV-1 does not seperate a breed of horse, it can infect any equine breed, including donkies and mules.

              Approxiamately 700  horses at theOgden, Utah cutting horse show event were  secondary  contacts in the initial public outbreak of the EHV-1 and to which 34 cases to date  are we aware of that died and who knows how many other horses have been exposed by those.  And  what of the handling of the dead animals.  The horses came from far and wide to compete and the virus seems to be reaching out just as far.

              How many of us here have multi purpose horses that are not only versatile for MSAR, but other jobs on and off  the ranch and perhaps at another show event as well?  Those of you that are one horse owners could probably answer that they use their horse not just for MSAR... Those  of us with more than one horse, be it MSAR or not, given your traveling and location and potential to other exposure..  a whole herd at the home ranch or stable could fall victim to the infection.

              And back to the swine flu issue, Did Kenneth Paul, a cutting horse trainer die of swine flu?  Dont know.  But it is however  publically official that his daughters horse did die of EHV-1 and both were at the Ogden, Utah cutting horse event and where Kenneth Paul died on the show ground.

              While treatable.. EHV-1 is not curable.

              Swine flu.. wash your hands and there is a vacinne.
                      Karen Nesbitt - VMSAR - Iroquois County - Illinois
               Genesis 50:9
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From: "Jorene Downs" <Jorene@CEOates.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Can horses catch Swine flu??
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Swine flu in relation to Kenneth Paul's death is nothing but a rumor at this
point, so I'd hope folks are not perpetuating the unsubstantiated rumor with
even more speculation.



I found a cutting horse web site mentioning the unconfirmed possibility (AKA
irresponsible reporting) of swine flu causing Kenneth Paul's collapse and
subsequent death. I'm guessing there were flu-like symptoms, someone asked
if swine flu was possible, and a doctor indicated that all possibilities -
including swine flu - would be explored ... and the rumor of "swine flu!"
spread from there to the online article that neglected to confirm with a
reliable source. Paul's obituary simply indicates a sudden illness, and
other articles indicate waiting a couple of weeks for autopsy results.



The only references I can find online regarding a swine flu pandemic in Utah
are from 2009, when there was indeed a pandemic. I cannot find any report
that swine flu has been reported / confirmed in Utah in 2011. I found one
2011 article reporting a USA death with traces of H1N1 a contributing
factor.



If anyone has a link to current - check the date! - information confirming
swine flu (H1N1) is particularly active in the USA, much less swine flu
confirmed as causing/contributing to the death of Kenneth Paul, please share
that link ... if from a responsible and reliable source. (For example, an
announcement by a public health official.)



Meanwhile, there are still more horses being suspected/confirmed of having
EHV-1 ... not a rumor.



~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Jorene Downs

SAR, CERT, Emergency Communications

Mounted SAR

<http://www.ceoates.com/msar> http://www.ceoates.com/msar

KJ6JCD



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[mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Karen Nesbitt
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 9:43 PM
To: MSAR; Mounted search and rescue in Illinois USA.
Subject: [MSAR] Can horses catch Swine flu??





GOOD QUESTION!


http://www.suite101.com/content/can-horses-catch-swine-flu-a165913

In short, its not impossible according to that article.. but more
importantly, while horses are not generally victims of swine flu people are.



Which brings us back to Utah where the news media has said that the swine
flu is again pandemic.



In reading all the articles on the EHV-1 virus and the cutting horses, it
never ceases to amaze me that how an industry can be so self centered on
their own situation and fail to realize that CUTTING HORSES ARE NOT A BREED.
And no less how the news media will run with it.



Makes you really wonder if that association has tracked down all its people
that were at the show and what steps they took to notify other equine
associations?  Surely there is a list of attendees that showed at Ogden and
brought horses to the ring.



Makes you wonder too how many of the horses got home, maybe died later and
no vet was called, and possibly exposed a neighboring equine or other farm.
Or one of the cutting horses at the show went trail riding or to another
show and got them exposed?



CUTTING HORSES ARE NOT A BREED. Cutting is not limited to just AQHA, APHA or
western breeds and many such type horses are kept at boarding stables where
other breeds are present.   All a cutting horse is is a horse of not any
particular breed or color but  of a specific skill and that is to seperate a
cow from a herd while  EHV-1 does not seperate a breed of horse, it can
infect any equine breed, including donkies and mules.



Approxiamately 700  horses at theOgden, Utah cutting horse show event were
secondary  contacts in the initial public outbreak of the EHV-1 and to which
34 cases to date  are we aware of that died and who knows how many other
horses have been exposed by those.  And  what of the handling of the dead
animals.  The horses came from far and wide to compete and the virus seems
to be reaching out just as far.



How many of us here have multi purpose horses that are not only versatile
for MSAR, but other jobs on and off  the ranch and perhaps at another show
event as well?  Those of you that are one horse owners could probably answer
that they use their horse not just for MSAR... Those  of us with more than
one horse, be it MSAR or not, given your traveling and location and
potential to other exposure..  a whole herd at the home ranch or stable
could fall victim to the infection.



And back to the swine flu issue, Did Kenneth Paul, a cutting horse trainer
die of swine flu?  Dont know.  But it is however  publically official that
his daughters horse did die of EHV-1 and both were at the Ogden, Utah
cutting horse event and where Kenneth Paul died on the show ground.



While treatable.. EHV-1 is not curable.



Swine flu.. wash your hands and there is a vacinne.

        Karen Nesbitt - VMSAR - Iroquois County - Illinois
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Genesis 50:9
And there went up with him both chariots and horsemen, and it was a very
great gathering.


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