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- From: Paul Fleming <PFLEMING@NWLINK.COM>
- To: Mounted search and rescue <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc
- Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:29:36 -0700
Jorene,
Apparently your scoffers aren't horsemen. We know what can be done and it is
really not important they do.
Paul
On Apr 19, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Jorene Downs wrote:
> I've recently had some SAR trackers scoff [again] about the ability of a
> rider to track from the saddle. Yes, you first need to learn tracking from
> the ground. Yes, there are times you must dismount for a closer look, but
> often you can simply continue to ride for quite a distance when not doing
> step-by-step tracking. I've done it, and seen others track successfully from
> the saddle. But apparently that information isn't enough to convince the
> scoffers. It doesn't seem to matter to some that generations of riders have
> successfully tracked cattle, hunted game, pursued fugitives, etc. So I
> recommend turning on the TV and watching a few episodes of Mantracker on the
> Science channel to see for yourself.
>
>
>
> http://science.discovery.com/tv/mantracker/
>
>
>
> This reality TV series is based on a mounted tracker (Canadian cowboy and
> active MSAR, Terry Grant) in varied challenging terrain in primarily North
> America who has a limited time frame to "capture" two volunteer "fugitives"
> who need to elude their pursuer and reach a designated point (location
> unknown to the tracker) before a certain time the next day. The volunteer
> "fugitives" have a map and compass. The Mantracker has a local rider who
> knows the territory assisting him and sharing local terrain knowledge.
> Sometimes 1 or both of the "fugitives" make it to their target destination,
> but often the Mantracker captures them.
>
>
>
> While the Mantracker TV show certainly isn't a SAR incident, there are many
> similarities to MSAR in the knowledge and skills applied. For example:
>
> * Terry Grant will dismount and show the camera what he spotted from
> the saddle, and explain what it is ... such as toe digs and longer strides
> indicating the volunteers are hustling.
>
> * The vast majority of episodes there is reference to the horse
> (ears alert and looking) indicating the possible presence of the fleeing or
> hiding volunteers ... reinforcing "Look where the horse looks" as a huge
> tool for MSAR.
>
> * Commonly the volunteers mention a strategy that includes "a horse
> can't go here" to determine where they will go to remain un-captured ...
> which sometimes is correct, and often - much to their dismay - is incorrect.
> Some of the terrain on horseback in the various Mantracker episodes will
> likely surprise most incident management and even some MSAR riders.
>
> * Mounted trackers (and "fugitives") are out overnight.
>
> * Some of the strategies discussed by the Mantracker can be useful
> in SAR, particularly if the missing subject appears to be intentionally
> eluding the riders/searchers.
>
>
>
> Tracking training often includes a recommendation to stand on a stump or
> boulder to gain a different angle. The saddled horse becomes a mobile stump
> for the rider, and often the best angle is to look further ahead than you
> would if standing on the ground. For non-riders to try to get a feel for the
> height and angle of view to track from the saddle, try standing on a chair
> or sitting on the wall of a pickup truck bed. Look down, then let the eyes
> gradually scan out 20 feet or even notably further, depending on the
> terrain, light, etc. But dismount - as needed - for a closer look.
>
>
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>
> Jorene Downs
>
> SAR, CERT, Emergency Communications
>
> Mounted SAR
>
> http://www.ceoates.com/msar
>
> KJ6JCD
>
>
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>
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[MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc,
Jorene Downs, 04/19/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc,
Paul Fleming, 04/20/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc,
sleininger, 04/20/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Working a dog from the saddle / Tracking from the saddle, etc,
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- Re: [MSAR] Working a dog from the saddle / Tracking from the saddle, etc, Jorene Downs, 04/20/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Working a dog from the saddle / Tracking from the saddle, etc,
sleininger, 04/20/2011
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[MSAR] Working a dog from the saddle / Tracking from the saddle, etc,
Jorene Downs, 04/20/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc,
sleininger, 04/20/2011
- Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc, Rick Tracy, 04/21/2011
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- Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc, hoofbeat@columbus.rr.com, 04/19/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc,
pennbo, 04/20/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc,
Jorene Downs, 04/20/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc,
T'mi Finkle, 04/20/2011
- Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc, Jorene Downs, 04/20/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc,
T'mi Finkle, 04/20/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc,
Jorene Downs, 04/20/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Tracking from the saddle, etc,
Paul Fleming, 04/20/2011
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