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- From: "IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN" <ilichten1@verizon.net>
- To: "'Mounted search and rescue'" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR bombproofing
- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:59:35 -0500
You missed the point—we work in
areas that are NOT closed to the public while we are training or
searching. Many of our parks’ boundaries are commuter railroads,
multi-lane interstates, or townhouses. A 1200 acre state park where only
about 500 acres is available to the public might sustain 10,000 visitors a day,
with their personal guard dogs off leash. This state park shares boundaries
with a community college, a middle school, and a high school, as well as 4-5
boarding and training barns. The What we were discussing was how to develop
the communication necessary between you and your mount, the trust needed, and
the protection you provide each other. Parades, crook chasing, crowd control,
parking lot patrol is not SAR. And each organization must train for its
environment. Nobody closes a park down for us. Most event permits
specifically require that sponsors of the event accommodate other users during
fundraisers or exercises. We did one job in We each do it differently. But we
get it done. Irv Lichtenstein From:
msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of emboote@aol.com Sorry, Irv. I disagree. Often MSAR units work in the field with
K9 dogs. And I used to ride with a Border Collie at our side. In both
instances, I noticed the horse and dog communicating and watching each other.
The experience was far greater than if I was just out on a horse. Dogs are part
of the environment and should be something the horse cues on, but doesn't run
away from. Gunshots can also mean fireworks,
backfires, balloons popping, loud radios, or other sensory experiences we come
across in our security patrol work. I don't need a horse 'making a hole'
to get me out of a crowd. Both of these examples are areas that I work with
horses so they are safe when working. I ride in Emily -----Original
Message----- These clinics are sold as bombproofing or
desensitizing or sometimes even “mounted training”. What a
MSAR rider has to have is a concept of partnership with the horse. My mount of over 20 years still
doesn’t like certain sights on the trail- plastic stackable lawn chairs
(white against black) came up once. Dead bodies, even deer, get him
upset. But it doesn’t stop the mission. Your job is to detect
clues—whether the subject went that way or proof that he
didn’t. It also requires you to get back alive to report in detail
what you found or didn’t find. A horse whose first reaction is to
run/spook/spin/ buck when he sees something new is not useful on the real
deal. There may be some things you want him to be afraid of: shotgun blasts
for instance, and others he should tolerate but be alert for: bicycles,
vehicles, aircraft. And lastly there should be those things that should
scare both of you: men with guns pointed at you, loose dogs/wolves/coyotes,
normally nocturnal animals about during the day. This will vary with the horse and rider
but you must be able to communicate with your mount, there should be mutual
trust, and you mount should have enough brains left to protect himself and
you. Too many times owners want their horse despooked for a nice pleasant
ride in the park. Buy an experienced hack horse, they even know when to
turn around and come home. Do this to your own bright, alert mount and
you teach him that it is all right to be eaten by that loose dog coming up
behind. Most of the clinicians who work this area
are ex-mounted city police desensers who think the best horse is one that will
look down the muzzle of a gun and charge. Personally, there is one thing
I am afraid of, poachers. They shoot deer for meat and sale and face some
really stiff penalties for getting caught. If I am in a park after dark
and guns start going off, I am out of there as fast as my mount can carry
me. Read the concept papers concerning
partnering with your mount in the archives. Irv Lichtenstein From: msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
On Behalf Of T'mi Finkle Chris, I agree 100% with you about the
terminology. Words such as bomb proofing and desensitizing are used by equine
clinicians to promote their clinics, which can be confusing and/or sometimes
misleading to the average rider. T’mi TROTSAR From: msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
On Behalf Of pennbo@verizon.net Interesting
discussion. However I wouldn't call it desensitized- as that usually means
doesn't react at all. Instead I think a better terminology would be to say they
are experienced or trained to accept varying situations. Mine aren't
desensitized- they DO react to different stimuli- but in an acceptable
manner as reinforced by me during their training. :-) _______________________________________________ MSAR-Riders mailing list MSAR-Riders@lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/msar-riders |
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Re: [MSAR] desensing clinics
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Re: [MSAR] desensing clinics,
T'mi Finkle, 01/24/2011
- Re: [MSAR] desensing clinics, Una Smith, 01/24/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR,
Lila Corey, 01/24/2011
- Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR, emboote, 01/24/2011
- Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR, T'mi Finkle, 01/24/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR,
pennbo, 01/24/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR,
T'mi Finkle, 01/24/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR bombproofing,
IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 01/24/2011
- Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR bombproofing, Yvette Rollins, 01/25/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR bombproofing,
emboote, 01/25/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR bombproofing,
IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 01/25/2011
- [MSAR] Large animal rescue training at Eastern Kentucky University, Joseph C. Huston, 01/25/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR bombproofing,
IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 01/25/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR bombproofing,
IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 01/24/2011
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Re: [MSAR] Hello, MSAR,
T'mi Finkle, 01/24/2011
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Re: [MSAR] desensing clinics,
T'mi Finkle, 01/24/2011
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