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[Karen Nesbitt <spanishequines@yahoo.com>]

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:32:41 -0400
From: "Irvin Lichtenstein " <ilichten1@verizon.net>
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I am safeproofing by doing a presentation in June to the next county's
Equine Council on barn fires. "When you can't figure out what started it,
put electrical on the form,"

a rural fire marshal who shall always be anonymous.



Irv Lichtenstein



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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:26:25 -0500
From: "David Skofstad" <dbs54neigh@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Tank heaters..., barn fires
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We electricians have known (and resented) this for years.

David Skofstad
dbs54neigh@earthlink.net

"In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, 'Holy to the Lord.' "
Zechariah 14:20

 

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Irv and Dave....

 

You got to be kinding me!  Blame the electrical!  While the electrical might become toast, if hay is in the barn I would suspect the hay first to be the cause and then the wiring the being the "burn victim" in most cases  then go on to suspect some idiot with a cigeratte and then the bum electrician and/or electrical...not necesarilly in that order!   But I suppose the form only has a general box to check...so blame the electrical?

 

I know barns are notorious places for plugging in things that cannot go un monitored for too long, case in point fans in summer, heaters in winter and lights... heat lamps and such...

 

But anyway, I would suspect that ANY BARN THAT HAD HAY RECENTLY PUT UP IN IT  AND HAD A FIRE WITHIN 10-14 DAYS OF THE NEW HAY GOING INTO THE BARN... IT IS THE HAY but then its a toss up as some people do use fans to cool it.

 

Typically, hay curing on its own though will sweat in the first 3-10 days and its either going to begin to cool down or heat up and if it heats up, your barn will be toast if you are not careful.  You have got to monitor the hay for the first 14 days AT LEAST particulaly if it is newborn.

 

While getting hay is cheaper getting it right out of the field, I personally would opt to buy it off the rack if the hay was stored in a barn and for a minimum of 3 weeks if I had my druthers.  Could be more costly in the long run getting it out of the field.....case in point a burnt barn.

 

Alfalfa is notorious for burning up in a bale.  Its one of the more difficult hays to put up.

Grass hay cools down the best.  EITHER WAY It has got to have time to cure.  Straw will pretty much come out of the field cool unless it is weedy, but has the least odds of burning dependant upon the weed content. For practical definition of uncured is hay that is not 14 days old in the bale

 

Retired in the hay production, but know  well the cycle of the hay from sow, to cut to finish.  You really do not want to feed hay that is also not cured to horses.  Uncured hay

more than barn fires, it can cause colic. . The molds and dust can give the animals respiriatory issues and its just not a good thing to do.   You do want to shake your hay flakes out if you suspect mold and to look for undesirable edible content to also give your animals healthier management.  Some people wet their hay down if its dusty... that does not get rid of some of the spores your horse can consume that might be a detriment to it.

You have got to be touched in the head if your feeding hay thats comes in flakes that are like yellow brown mangy dusty brick bats to horses.  That kind of hay is spoiled.  It sweated in the bale and did not cure adequately.  Signs of mold are signs of improper curing.

 

Round bales are another ball game when it comes to fires and feeding horses.    Generally round bales are cow hay.  But that depends on how good the producer.  Horse hay in round bales are generally stored IN A BARN.  Most producers I know will leave them outside for a little while and not allow for rain on them  before moving them to the barn.  Round bales stored outdoors are prime for botulism and good for.. well as one man put it, good for crap.

 

But seriously are you kidding me,  "when you cant figure it out, put electrical????"

 

Um, would that be the line LINE next to ____ BORDERLINE ARSON?  or maybe

____Stupidity?

 

Good luck with that presentation.

 

        Karen

Some trust in chariots, and others in horses: but we will always remember the name of the Lord our God.  Psalms 20:7..and the bay went forth,  and sought to go to and fro that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth.  So they walked to and fro through the earth. Zec 6:7