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  • From: "Jorene Downs" <Jorene@CEOates.com>
  • To: "'Mounted search and rescue'" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [MSAR] ORV's etc
  • Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:39:23 -0700

Karen, thanks goes to Tomi’ Finkle, not me, for the prior posted information. She had 25 years in LE … I only had 8 years as a cop and I turned in my badge long before I became a grandma so my “legal” knowledge is badly out of date. ;-) 

 

From the SAR / MSAR perspective …

I agree that individuals should stay current (laws change!) within their extended response area, which in some cases may include entering other jurisdictions or even crossing state lines, and this isn’t limited to vehicles.  Be legal, not just for yourself but because you’re representing an organization when responding to SAR call-out, and ultimately you answer to the AHJ … and they can also choose to send you home, cite or even arrest you for something illegal.

 

Also remember what is considered legal in other environments can instead be an issue on public lands such as national parks and forests.  Also consider that in an emergency some rules/laws can be temporarily waived by the AHJ – by law, the appropriate authorities (such as the National Park Service) can grant an exception regarding what (and who) is allowed access, or not. An example is a rescue helicopter allowed to land where otherwise helicopters aren’t allowed. This type of emergency exception is requested and granted (or denied) at the command level.

 

Personnel who are affiliated with a SAR organization recognized by the authorities and are directly activated to respond (as opposed to the spontaneous volunteers who show up as word spreads) may get special approval or a request from the activating authority to show up with X.  X may not normally be allowed.  Normally the activated resource has demonstrated having appropriate training in the use of X prior to being asked to respond and be deployed using X. Any exception granted allowing use of X may or may not apply to spontaneous volunteers.

 

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Jorene Downs

SAR & CERT

Mounted SAR

www.ceoates.com/msar

 

 

From: Karen Nesbitt

 

RESPONDING TO:

 

From: "T'mi Fi" <tfinkle@erols.com>

I am retired law enforcement officer with over 25 years of service and I
do not of a single LOE that knows the motor vehicle. SMV and ORV laws of
every state.  My best advise is for folks to learn about ORV laws is to
check what laws would apply in your state and local region. 

However, the answer to most of your questions can be found at
<http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/lsv/lsv.html>
In short motor vehicles must meet Federal regulations designed for
highway speeds; whereas ORV's, (ATV's, RTV's and golf carts) are
primarily designed for use on private property and off road use (Some
states do have ORV trails designed for recreational use). Markings on
government owned ORV's are also governed by local or state laws and vary
from state to state. For those MSAR folks wanting more information on
these topic is to look for an ATV/ORV SAR chat group and speak with them.

I hope this helps

T'mi
www.trotsar.org

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Karen Nesbitt wrote:

THANKS Jorene, I guess I should have rephrased the question/comment a tad differently, but thanks for picking up on my drift.  If websites are available stating the regulations and someone has a  trusting source perhaps they can post it here?

 

Calling the SOS in any state however should also give you the correct information for your state.

 

 

 



  • [MSAR] ORV's etc, Karen Nesbitt, 06/17/2009
    • Re: [MSAR] ORV's etc, Jorene Downs, 06/17/2009

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