Mounted search and rescue

[syllas iadach oliveira lima <syllas_iadach@hotmail.com>]

Hi
 
I´m a Lieutenant of Sao Paulo Mounted Police and nowadays i ve joined in a Riding Course on Army
 
Would you send me news or manuals about msar, border patrol hw to start it, advantages and others?
 
Thanks

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> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:21:30 -0400
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> 1. SAR perspective on MSAR (Una Smith)
> 2. Re: SAR perspective on MSAR (Wwaynebare@aol.com)
> 3. Re: SAR perspective on MSAR (Joseph Huston)
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> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:16:45 -0600
> From: Una Smith <una.smith@att.net>
> Subject: [MSAR] SAR perspective on MSAR
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> Hello MSAR-Riders,
>
> Here is a discussion thread between myself and non-MSAR SAR team leaders,
> relevant to MSAR.
>
> On SAR-L, Rick Slatten wrote:
> >>>>1. I have never been able to understand this incessant need to evaluate
> >>>>(and certify) people on the basis of what they HAVE vs. what they DO.
>
> On SAR-L, Una Smith replied:
> >>>New Mexico's SAR legislation gives the authority to prescribe a pack list.
> >>>Whether doing so is good or bad is another question. Here is my answer.
> >>>
> >>>The HAVE is necessary for our demographics. In a state with more people
> >>>per unit area, perhaps SAR teams can be more selective. Another factor I
> >>>see is that SAR teams in our more urban areas tend to get a lot of new
> >>>members who move to New Mexico in search of wilderness experience. They
> >>>do not already have wilderness experience. I see this also in mounted
> >>>(horseback) SAR all over the continent: in some areas MSAR teams spend
> >>>a lot of time teaching new recruits how to ride in the field (as opposed
> >>>to in an arena); in other areas, riders who are not already proficient
> >>>on horseback in the backcountry need not apply. It is rather like going
> >>>to college: some colleges can afford to be highly selective, but many
> >>>find it necessary to provide remedial education.
> >>>
> >>>I have told newbies what to expect at the evaluation, showed them my pack,
> >>>and given them a copy of the Study Guide to read (accomodating 3 learning
> >>>styles) and still they come to the evaluation without minimum equipment.
> >>>I recall one person who brought most of the contents of a 24-hr pack but
> >>>no pack, not even a gym bag, to put it in. The pack list is a HAVE, but
> >>>having no 24-hr pack may be a DO.
> >>>
> >>>My lensatic compass is a "transit compass"[1], which at least one website
> >>>describes as an "M2" compass.[2] It is significantly harder for me to use
> >>>on horseback than a protractor/orienteering/baseplate compass[3] for these
> >>>reasons: the compass itself has to be opened first and I cannot open it
> >>>while wearing gloves, and it has no place to add a lanyard. And it costs
> >>>20x a good baseplate compass[4], so I dread dropping it under my horse's
> >>>foot. Murphy's Law, you know?
> >>>
> >>>[1] http://www.thecompassstore.com/5006lm.html
> >>>[2] http://www.map-reading.com/appendg.php
> >>>[3] http://www.thecompassstore.com/8010g.html
> >>>[4] http://www.thecompassstore.com/baseplate-compasses.html
> >>>
> >>>Anyhow, thanks for this thread. I got something out of it. I hope you
> >>>all did too.
>
> Off list, someone asked Una Smith:
> >>In reading your response [above] I gather that you might also ride in an
> >>MSAR unit. If this is so, could you describe your pack a little further.
> >>For some reason or the other, I thought you were associated with the K-9
> >>unit, but of course, you might be in both. Anyway about it, I'm really
> >>interested in your pack for when you're riding your horse...since this is
> >>something we're trying to gather info on. Some of our equine folks have
> >>very little equipment and we've been trying to get them to understand that
> >>they've got to carry a 24-hour pack; thus, we're having them take our
> >>training, as well as the MSAR training before they can become full-pledged
> >>MSAR members. Do you carry your pack on your back, like a
> >>ground-pounder...or in saddle bags...or in a small pack attached to your
> >>saddle, etc.
>
> Off list, Una Smith replied to someone:
> >Yes, I do MSAR, although currently my availability for missions is very
> >limited. I am also a Planning Section Chief.
> >
> >When I ride I always wear a waist pack with spare glasses, phone, pen
> >and paper. It has room for compass or GPS. I almost always wear good
> >leather gloves, else I have them in a pocket.
> >
> >Sometimes I wear a bigger fanny pack that holds far more stuff and is
> >almost big enough to need a chest harness. I use that one in hot summer
> >weather when I am escorting a trail ride. It holds a good sized first
> >aid kit, multitool, and spare batteries for my cell phone and/or radio.
> >More often, I wear a daypack containing the above plus foul weather
> >clothes, first aid kit, water.
> >
> >In addition to the big fanny pack or daypack, on the saddle I frequently
> >hang an insulated thermos on the horn, plus a cantle bag with large side
> >pockets. It holds more water and food and extra warm clothes.
> >
> >In my experience both on horseback and over many years past traveling on
> >foot, water and warm dry clothing are the #1 and #2 things that people
> >in distress need. Sometimes they are in my own party, sometimes they
> >are the SAR mission subject, sometimes they are just someone we meet in
> >the field.
> >
> >Another issue to consider is footwear. If the rider wears "slicks" then
> >they should pack boots suitable for groundpounding, in case they need to
> >walk out.
>
> Thought you might find this useful.
>
> Una Smith
> New Mexico
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:33:12 EDT
> From: Wwaynebare@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [MSAR] SAR perspective on MSAR
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> Care to Share That Pack list Una ................ Wayne Bare Van Tx
> MSAR We are Always Looking for a "Better List " Thanks
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> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:54:09 -0500
> From: "Joseph Huston" <jchuston@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [MSAR] SAR perspective on MSAR
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> Wayne,
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> When you do your tracking classes, do you have a horseback session?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Joe Huston
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