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  • From: robert schuler <sunnfarm AT bellatlantic.net>
  • To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Market-farming] greens and weeds
  • Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:18:20 -0500

Mike you can try "primed seed". Its slightly pre germinated then pelleted, it
should germinate in half the time of regular seed... Bob.

Mike Emers wrote:

> Hi Rivka,
>
> Thanks for responding. We've tried going from transplants before and we
> might do it again. It definitely lets the lettuce grow ahead of the
> weeds. We seeded plug flats of 200 cells with the lettuce mix and then
> transplanted those out into the beds. At 6 rows to a 36" bed, one plug
> tray will get us 8.33'. So it will take 12 trays for every 100' of row
> - which takes a while as opposed to making one pass with a multi-row
> seeder (such as the new one Johnny's is selling). Direct seeding is so
> quick, but if it doesn't work, there's no sense tilling all that in
> later. It's just a matter of getting our timing and planning in order.
> If we want our lettuce mix next summer, we probably will have to do as
> you suggest and then really concentrate on eliminating weeds in future
> years' beds by aggressive cultivation and cover crops.
>
> What's your method of starting the mix and then transplanting?
>
> Happy New Year,
>
> Mike Emers
> Rosie Creek Farm
> Ester, Alaska
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of road's
> end farm
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:56 AM
> To: Market Farming
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] greens and weeds
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2005, at 1:19 AM, Mike Emers wrote:
>
> As summer and fall have long given themselves up to cold and snow on our
> farm, the planning for next year has begun. One of our high priorities
> to correct next season is getting our baby greens production back to
> where it once was - our biggest moneymaker per area.
>
> Our weeds (mainly shepard's purse and chickweed), after several years of
> poor management, have built up a healthy seed bank in the soil and can
> choke out the slower germinating lettuce seedlings very quickly. Even
> after letting weeds germinate killing them for several iterations and
> then sowing my greens, we still have too many weeds. We've also tried
> the window pane technique of watching for the crop to germinate under
> the glass and then flaming the bed. I tilled in several hundred feet of
> baby lettuce rows last season in frustration. We don't have this same
> problem with the faster growing mustards, but spinach is also a drag.
> So any suggestions out there other than plasticulture?
>
> Mike Emers
> Rosie Creek Farm
> Ester, Alaska (sitting cozily in zone 1)
>
> Can you start your lettuce from transplant? That's what I do; partly
> because of heavy weed pressure. If you're aiming for really baby greens,
> though, I don't know whether the time-spent ratios of transplanting
> versus weeding are going to come out the same.
>
> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>
> ------=_NextPtransplants
> before and we might do it again.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
> </span>It
> definitely lets the lettuce grow ahead of the weeds. <span
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>We seeded plug flats of 200 =
> cells with
> the lettuce mix and then transplanted those out into the beds.<span
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>At 6 rows to a 36&#8221; bed, =
> one plug
> tray will get us 8.33&#8217;.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
> </span>So it
> will take 12 trays for every 100&#8217; of row &#8211; which takes a =
> while as
> opposed to making one pass with a multi-row seeder (such as the new one =
> Johnny&#8217;s
> is selling). <span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>Direct =
> seeding is so
> quick, but if it doesn&#8217;t work, there&#8217;s no sense tilling all =
> that in
> later.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>It&#8217;s just a =
> matter of getting
> our timing and planning in order.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
> </span>If
> we want our lettuce mix next summer, we probably will have to do as you =
> suggest
> and then really concentrate on eliminating weeds in future years&#8217; =
> beds by
> aggressive cultivation and cover crops.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What&#8217;s your method of =
> starting the
> mix and then transplanting?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Happy New =
> Year,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mike =
> Emers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><font size=3D2 =
> color=3Dnavy
> face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Rosie</span></fon=
> t></st1:PlaceName><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:navy'> </span></font><st1:PlaceName><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
> face=3DArial><span
> =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Creek</span></fon=
> t></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:navy'> Farm<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ester, =
> Alaska<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DTahoma><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
> Message-----<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
> market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] <b><span =
> style=3D'font-weight:
> bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>road's end farm<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, December =
> 30, 2005
> 9:56 AM<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Market Farming<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
> [Market-farming]
> greens and weeds</span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
> 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
> On Nov 23, 2005, at 1:19 AM, Mike Emers =
> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
> 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
> As summer and fall have long given themselves up to cold and snow on =
> our<br>
> farm, the planning for next year has begun. One of our high =
> priorities<br>
> to correct next season is getting our baby greens production back to<br>
> where it once was - our biggest moneymaker per area.<br>
> <br>
> Our weeds (mainly shepard's purse and chickweed), after several years =
> of<br>
> poor management, have built up a healthy seed bank in the soil and =
> can<br>
> choke out the slower germinating lettuce seedlings very quickly. =
> Even<br>
> after letting weeds germinate killing them for several iterations =
> and<br>
> then sowing my greens, we still have too many weeds. We've also =
> tried<br>
> the window pane technique of watching for the crop to germinate =
> under<br>
> the glass and then flaming the bed. I tilled in several hundred feet =
> of<br>
> baby lettuce rows last season in frustration. We don't have this =
> same<br>
> problem with the faster growing mustards, but spinach is also a =
> drag.<br>
> So any suggestions out there other than plasticulture? <br>
> <br>
> Mike Emers<br>
> Rosie Creek Farm<br>
> Ester, Alaska (sitting cozily in zone 1)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
> Can you start your lettuce from transplant? That's what I do; partly =
> because of
> heavy weed pressure. If you're aiming for really baby greens, though, I =
> don't
> know whether the time-spent ratios of transplanting versus weeding are =
> going to
> come out the same.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <?smaller>-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly<br>
> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <?/smaller></div>
>
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