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  • From: tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net>
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Civilization heading for collapse
  • Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:23:49 -0600


Places with higher levels of education show stable population, better schooling tends to mean lower birth rates. Of course indigenous groups consumed much less resources, but still many ruined the land & had to move on. On the plus side, if there is one, with wars & toxins we're cutting down populations some places like overcrowded rats. And according to Frances Moore Lappe the economic system, the capitalist empire, is systematically reducing the most vulnerable.

It might stabilize at some lower population after wrenching dieoffs. We see the wealth & power crushing the havenots in this country already. That will get worse quickly. Meantime some of us in neither category can learn to survive more comfortably with food, water, the necessities of life. By of course, living on the land...

But in the words of Yogi Berra (?) 'It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.'

And he said "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
.........

On 3/15/2014 10:33 AM, Dan Conine wrote:
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"Collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion."

The ironic part is that the only way you'll get people to have equal access to resources is if there aren't any (people OR resources).
Consumerism doesn't end when people know better: it ends when they can't find anything to buy or sell. The Raccoonocracy will continue until the raccoons all get their paws stuck in the jars and refuse to let go of the shiny rocks. Until then, the clever little bastards will keep reproducing.

Dan C.
Belgium, WI

* NASA-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'? uhhh... YES

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists
 
Which strongly suggests - among other things - a mass transition to a low-tech, low resource consumption model of agriculture, or agroecology. Modern agriculture is a huge part of fossil fuel, water, phosphate, & other resource consumption. If some of us can do it, then it's absolutely feasible. Plus it can allow some degree of economic leveling at the local level when the majority can feed themselves. After all they've fed themselves since they learned to stand upright on two legs.




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