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  • From: Dan Conine <dconine@bertramwireless.com>
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] cellulosic ethanol
  • Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:56:59 -0500

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:09:01 -0600
From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: [Livingontheland] Whatever happened to cellulosic ethanol?
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Whatever happened to cellulosic ethanol?
AP: cellulosic 'not even close' to being ready to satisfy government mandates
Tom Philpott at 1:52 PM on 17 Oct 2008
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/10/17/94536/558
I think that the best thing for the soil is the destruction of our economy. The high price of oil and gasoline was pushing people to do as many dumb things as they did with cheap oil.
Now, they have to think about how much food is going to cost instead of it being only an afterthought when their credit card and mortgages and Hummer payments are being easily made from a job selling Hummers.
Cellulosic ethanol is like hot fusion from MIT: a nice dream, but always a few more billion dollars of grant money from usefulness. Having worked in the invention development business, I learned from the old inventors that the biggest competitor to an idea is often that people just don't need or want it. No matter how much marketing money you throw at some ideas, they just aren't necessary. Cellulosic ethanol may or may not be like that, but right now, the price of oil is coming down because the economy is seeking reality instead of credit. With lower oil prices may come a little more time to develop C.E. properly and conservatively and locally, if not just for on-farm or in-home use. Let's face it: liquid fuels are mostly needed for transportation and if nobody has money to go anywhere, then they can just burn the corn cobs to heat their house, and spend some time shelling the corn with the kids to feed the chickens.
If that doesn't satisfy Big Green Economists, too bad. The problems we are facing are moral and social and behavioral, not necessarily resources. Most of the resources we have been burning up have been for things people don't need to do, especially travel.

Dan
Belgium,WI

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  • Re: [Livingontheland] cellulosic ethanol, Dan Conine, 10/26/2008

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