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["Greg Brown" <gwbrown1 AT gmail.com>]

I wish that were true.  Sure, account managers from outsource vendors will likely always meet with people at companies that hire them but technical employees are already work away the equipment and likely will continue to do so.

Of the 10s of thousands of routers that I suppose well over 99% will be ones that I will never lay a physical hand on.  My experience, and I could be wrong, is sales skills drive business and technical skills meet objectives.

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jim Ray <jim AT neuse.net> wrote:

Managed services have revolutionized the IT industry and have side stepped traditional VPN technology. Despite automation and remote access, it is still necessary for people to interface with people.

 

People skills drive business as opposed to technical skills.

 

Regards,

 

Jim

 

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From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Greg Brown
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:27 PM
To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
Subject: Re: [internetworkers] loyalty [was: Sure is quiet, innit?]

 

Moreover I think the problems facing the entire IT industry are the same: the same work can and will be completed by people working remotely for less money and, arguably, equal quality.  VPN technology, as well as high speed Internet and cheap, fast WAN links translate into a scenario where anyone, nearly anywhere on the planet being able to administer any system regardless of proximity or geography.  People still have to be around to replace hardware or hit the power button when something locks up but that kind of employee could be a non-technical person making 1/4 what a qualified, US based IT person is making, perhaps less. 

Personally, I find the future outlook at big, Fortune 500 companies to be rather bleak, unless that company is in the business of IT to begin with or has a specific product to support.  I'm heading back to school, I figure that can't hurt anything.  I'd like to go back to school full-time and learn something totally different, like law for example, but that scenario just isn't practical with two mortgages.  Anyone want to buy a beach condo?  Lol.. forget it!  You can't have it.  That's my slice of paradise. 

Ugh.. let me turn off the vent machine for a bit.

Greg

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:08 PM, David Matusiak <dave AT matusiak.org> wrote:

On Mar 6, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Greg Brown wrote:

> I think as long as there is a "new market" jobs can be shipped to
> (India, etc.), companies will continue to treat their workers like
> dirt.
>
> Smart companies treat their people right.  I've not run into very many
> smart companies.
>
> --[Lance]
>
> Well, I think that is true for public companies especially.  The
> company exists because of and for the shareholders, not the
> employees.  It sucks, it really does, but that is the way business
> is run.  If a public company doesn't gain every market advantage
> over it's competitors the bottom line will suffer, the shareholders
> will get angry and the board will be voted out in favor of a board
> that will send jobs overseas, etc.

Don't think for a second that things are any better in the university
sector.  (Maybe if you are a tenured professor, but there are 1,000+
other wage slaves who don't get that royal treatment.)  From Greg's

paragraph above, just replace 'shareholders' with 'students' and
'market advantage' with 'whatever the students and their parents are
bitching about' and you have the exact same scenario.

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