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["Tony Spencer" <tony AT tonyspencer.com>]

Doesn't help Kerry's problem.  You guys can argue till you are blue in the
face that he/congress were misinformed or lied to.  They still spoke those
words:


http://john-kerry.tonyspencer.com/kerry-speech-10-9-2002.htm#wmd


Full circle : Should have picked Dean!
  

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> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf 
> Of David Minton
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:45 PM
> To: InterNetWorkers
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Re: Uma - Oprah, Obama - Osama
> 
> On 7/30/04 11:46 AM, "Tony Spencer" <tony AT tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> 
> > Brilliant or not, you think he fooled all of those people?  Wow.
> > 
> >> brilliant.  Any decent definition of brilliance that I could agree 
> >> with would require both capability and the good judgement 
> to know how 
> >> to use it.
> > 
> > So the congressmen weren't capable of seeing through the 
> 'Bush lies'?
> > 
> >> All those quotes prove is that the administration was 
> successful in 
> >> lying to create a climate of fear where it was politically 
> impossible 
> >> to oppose the drive to war.
> > 
> > How about these quotes prior to Bush taking office?  Was he 
> calling up 
> > these folks on the phone and lying to them as well?
> 
> Notice that all but one of the quotes are from 1998? Do you 
> know hat happened in December of 1998? The Clinton 
> administration implemented Operation Desert Fox, a 
> coordinated attack by US and British forces to destroy Iraqi 
> WMD sites.
> 
> "Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike 
> military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by 
> British forces...Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, 
> chemical and biological weapons programs and its military 
> capacity to threaten its neighbors."
> 
> -President Clinton 12.16.1998
> 
> http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/
> 
> While I can't find the source, it is my understanding that 
> Albright was speaking in a historical sense in 1999, 
> referring to how money was spent during the embargo (on 
> weapons) as opposed to food and medical supplies for his people.
> 
> BTW, the source for those quotes seems to have been an email 
> circulation. If you do a search for these quotes, you will 
> find them all together, in this order, in numerous places.
> 
> Here is a rebuttal of that site:
> 
> http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/bushlied.htm
> 
> So, any quote must be taken in the context of the rest of the 
> speech, as well as the period in which it was said. If you 
> only take a fragment, you can twist a quote to mean anything, 
> even the opposite of the speaker's intention.
> 
> Some say, this is a popular technique by right-wing 
> commentators. Is it true? You decide. *
> 
> David
> 
> *check out Outfoxed <http://www.outfoxed.org/>
> 
> > "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the 
> capacity to 
> > develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to 
> deliver them. 
> > That is our bottom line."
> > President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
> > 
> > "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is 
> > clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's 
> > weapons of mass destruction program."
> > President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
> > 
> > "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a 
> > great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue 
> state will 
> > use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or 
> our allies 
> > is the greatest security threat we face."
> > Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
> > 
> > "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten 
> > times since 1983."
> > Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
> > 
> > "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and 
> consistent with the U.S.
> > Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if 
> > appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to 
> > respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal 
> to end its 
> > weapons of mass destruction programs."
> > Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
> > Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, 
> and others, 
> > Oct. 9,
> > 1998
> > 
> > "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of 
> weapons of mass 
> > destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region 
> > and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
> > Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
> > 
> > "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building 
> weapons of mass 
> > destruction and palaces for his cronies."
> > Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
> > 
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