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[Jeff Bacon <bacon AT twinight.org>]

On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 03:06:46PM -0500, Michael Czeiszperger wrote:
> > The 90 Day Wonder.
> At one particularly weird post in my career I had to attend VP level 
> meetings to fill in for my manager who was in the hospital. As his 
> hospital stay extended to months I learned that the most important 
> thing to say at the monthly meet was that your project was "on 
> schedule". I marveled at manager's ability to report the same thing 
> month after month, when I knew for a fact the projects had failed to 
> meet any deadlines at all.

Proof that perception is reality.
 
> As to why software projects take so long, I can't say. One VP remarked 
> that "I wrote a VB program while watching the SuperBowl", so why is 
> writing a simple AI program to detect what's playing on every radio 
> station in the country taking so long?

"I can whip up pancakes for breakfast in 10 minutes on a good day. The
problem is, someone will invariably insist on hiding the flour bin in
the top cupboard to keep it away from mice, someone else will insist
on drinking all the milk the night before necessitating a run to the
store, and then of course someone will have refilled the sugar bowl
with salt... which is why we're having brunch not breakfast and the
coffee tastes funny."

-bacon
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On Friday 28 February 2003 03:06 pm, Michael Czeiszperger wrote:
>
> As to why software projects take so long, I can't say. One VP remarked
> that "I wrote a VB program while watching the SuperBowl", so why is
> writing a simple AI program to detect what's playing on every radio
> station in the country taking so long?
>

This reminds me of a boss I had, who would often say "How hard could it b=
e?" =20
He also had COBOL programming experiences from way back that had convince=
d=20
him that every job should take about a day.  Having a good relationship w=
ith=20
this guy, my stock response became, "Really f*cking hard, Dave."  I think=
 he=20
then used the phrase on me at every possible opportunity just to get that=
=20
response.

Diana
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I'd like to thank Colleen for organizing movie night.  It was a bunch of fun
and the movie was too.  Thanks to everyone who came.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D. Thomas" <mdthomas AT mindspring.com>
To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
<internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Movie Night!


>
> Movie night was a lot of fun! Thanks for organizing it. I hope we have
some
> more in the future.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colleen McCarthy" <cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com>
> To: <cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com>; <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>; "'Shea
> Tisdale'" <shea AT sheatisdale.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:57 AM
> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] Movie Night!
>
>
> > Shea O.K.'d pushing back the start time to 7:00, and I picked up the
video
> > yesterday.  See everyone tonight!
> >
> > Colleen McCarthy, MT(ASCP), BSEE, MBA, PMP
> > LIS Administrator
> > Laboratory Information Services
> > UNC Hospitals/McLendon Clinical Labs
> > 1106 East Wing
> > Chapel Hill, NC 27514
> > email: camccart AT unch.unc.edu
> > phone: 919-966-2059 beeper 216-1995
> > fax: 919-966-6407
> > home phone 919-460-0641
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Colleen
> > McCarthy
> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:21 PM
> > To: 'Shea Tisdale'; internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: RE: [internetworkers] Movie Night!
> >
> >
> > Hi Shea,
> >
> > Do you-- or does anyone else-- mind if we push this back to 7:00?  I
didn't
> > realize that Shea lived in Durham, and I have to get back to Cary Sunday
> > night in time to (ugh!) get up at 5:40 Monday morning.  If we start the
> > movie at 7:00, and maybe show up at 6:30, we can socialize, trade
> > beer/wine/stories before we watch the movie.  I guess that Shea should
> > answer first as to whether or not this would work...
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Colleen
> >
> > Colleen McCarthy, MT(ASCP), BSEE, MBA, PMP
> > LIS Administrator
> > Laboratory Information Services
> > UNC Hospitals/McLendon Clinical Labs
> > 1106 East Wing
> > Chapel Hill, NC 27514
> > email: camccart AT unch.unc.edu
> > phone: 919-966-2059 beeper 216-1995
> > fax: 919-966-6407
> > home phone 919-460-0641
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shea Tisdale [mailto:shea AT sheatisdale.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:38 AM
> > To: cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com; Internetworkers:
> > http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Movie Night!
> >
> >
> > DVD preferably.  But VHS will be fine if that's all they have.
> > Sunday night.  7:30 pm is great.
> >
> > I you are planning to attend, please send me an email to let me know.  I
> > will need to plan accordingly.
> >
> > Directions.
> >
> > I-40 to Fayetteville Rd. (Southpoint Mall Exit)
> > Exit onto Fayetteville Rd. going South (Away from Durham, Toward
Southpoint
> > Mall)
> >     That will be a right coming from Chapel Hill, Carrboro, etc.  A left
> > coming from Raleigh, Cary,
> >     Morrisville, etc.
> > Turn left on Herndon Rd.  Herndon is right in front of the first Mall
> > entrance on Fayetteville.
> > Follow Herndon about 1/2 mile until you reach a stop sign.
> > This is the intersection of Barbee and Herndon.
> > Stop at the sign and cross carefully.
> > You will stay on Herndon another 1.3 miles.
> > On the left you will see several neighborhoods.  I live in the last
one -
> > Fairfield.
> > You will take the left at the first Fairfield sign.  That will be
> > Springmore.
> > Follow Springmore approx 2/10 mile until it intersects Spring Garden.
> > Turn left on Spring Garden Drive.
> > My house is 200 Spring Garden Drive.  It's on the left.
> > Park in front of the house on the road.
> >
> > If anyone gets lost they can call me at 572-9911
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Colleen McCarthy" <cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com>
> > To: "'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'"
> > <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: [internetworkers] Movie Night!
> >
> >
> > > Hi Shea,
> > >
> > > Can you provide directions and pick a time (hum... 7:30?).  Do you
want a
> > > DVD or a VHS?  I'll get  "Columbine" if "Roger and Me" is not
available,
> > but
> > > let you (and everyone else) know.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to it!
> > >
> > > Colleen
> > >
> > > Colleen McCarthy, MT(ASCP), BSEE, MBA, PMP
> > > LIS Administrator
> > > Laboratory Information Services
> > > UNC Hospitals/McLendon Clinical Labs
> > > 1106 East Wing
> > > Chapel Hill, NC 27514
> > > email: camccart AT unch.unc.edu
> > > phone: 919-966-2059 beeper 216-1995
> > > fax: 919-966-6407
> > > home phone 919-460-0641
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Shea
> > > Tisdale
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:00 PM
> > > To: cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com; internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Movie Night!
> > >
> > >
> > > Sunday evening would work for me.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Colleen McCarthy" <cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com>
> > > To: "'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'"
> > > <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:14 PM
> > > Subject: [internetworkers] Movie Night!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Great!  Thanks much!  Now we have to pick a time...  Sunday evening,
> > 3/2?
> > > > We could do "bring a six pack of your favorite beer/favorite bottle
of
> > > wine
> > > > to share"
> > > >
> > > > Colleen McCarthy, MT(ASCP), BSEE, MBA, PMP
> > > > LIS Administrator
> > > > Laboratory Information Services
> > > > UNC Hospitals/McLendon Clinical Labs
> > > > 1106 East Wing
> > > > Chapel Hill, NC 27514
> > > > email: camccart AT unch.unc.edu
> > > > phone: 919-966-2059 beeper 216-1995
> > > > fax: 919-966-6407
> > > > home phone 919-460-0641
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Shea
> > > > Tisdale
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:27 AM
> > > > To: cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com; internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Internet Workers Living or Working
> > > > inRaleighor Cary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd be interested.  I could even host if you like.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Colleen McCarthy" <cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com>
> > > > To: "'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'"
> > > > <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 5:05 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [internetworkers] Internet Workers Living or Working in
> > > > Raleighor Cary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > O.K., here's another idea.  I saw "Bowling for Columbine" and
loved
> > it.
> > > I
> > > > > want to rent "Roger and Me" and watch it with a small group.  Are
any
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > rest of you interested?  I can host, but my living room TV is only
a
> > 27"
> > > > > (big living room, small TV, bummer..:)  Please let me know.
Colleen
> > > > >
> > > > > Colleen McCarthy, MT(ASCP), BSEE, MBA, PMP
> > > > > LIS Administrator
> > > > > Laboratory Information Services
> > > > > UNC Hospitals/McLendon Clinical Labs
> > > > > 1106 East Wing
> > > > > Chapel Hill, NC 27514
> > > > > email: camccart AT unch.unc.edu
> > > > > phone: 919-966-2059 beeper 216-1995
> > > > > fax: 919-966-6407
> > > > > home phone 919-460-0641
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of
Michael
> > > > > D. Thomas
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:35 PM
> > > > > To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > > > > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Internet Workers Living or Working
> > > > > inRaleighor Cary
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Colleen McCarthy" <cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > The biggest problem that I have with after-work gatherings is
...
> > that
> > > > > > they're after work :)!  I seem to be able to make all of the
> > parties,
> > > > but
> > > > > > almost none of the after-work meetings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, I've been making it to none of the parties :-( Probably
why
> > > we
> > > > > haven't met.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gatherings, parties and impromptu get togethers are all part of
> > building
> > > > > community, and that's what InterNetWorkers is about. The
gatherings
> > are
> > > > > "official" and predictable, but the only real difference between
the
> > > > > "unofficial" parties and the gatherings is how they are announced.
A
> > > > > gathering
> > > > > announcement goes out to both lists -- inet-announce and the
> > discussion
> > > > > list -- and is announced on the web page, while the "unofficial"
> > parties
> > > > are
> > > > > only announced by the party giver on the discussion list.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is reflective of the nature of the lists. Inet-announce is
> > > > > announce-only
> > > > > and heavily moderated, while the discussion list is free form.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to propose that we open inet-announce up a bit. We've set
the
> > > > > expectation that it will be low-volume, but I think that we could
send
> > > out
> > > > a
> > > > > couple of additional notes a month without upsetting anyone. We
can
> > also
> > > > > make
> > > > > room on the web site for "unofficial" announcements.
> > > > >
> > > > > This goes along with the theory that the best networks are
> > multi-headed.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have organized something you'd like for the entire INW
realm to
> > > > know
> > > > > about, just drop the note to me for now and cc: this list. I can
act
> > as
> > > > > moderator for now, though I would like to create some kind of
policy
> > so
> > > as
> > > > > to
> > > > > reduce the risk of contention. If you'd like to be part of the
> > process,
> > > > let
> > > > > me
> > > > > know.
> > > > >
> > > > > And of course, if you don't want your party announcement to go to
> > > > > inet-announce, then just don't ask.
> > > > >
> > > > > >  If we know which INWs might be available, then we can
> > > > > > meet whenever it works out.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to discuss this idea further... I see possibilities
for a
> > > > neat
> > > > > little community building web/email app of some sort. Don't worry,
> > > > > discussing
> > > > > doesn't imply "promising to do." We can discuss organizational
ideas
> > > > without
> > > > > fear of future haranguing.
> > > > >
> > > > > My proposal above goes a little ways, I think, but I bet there is
more
> > > > that
> > > > > can be done.
> > > > >
> > > > > A lot of the success of the group is due to our use of Internet
> > > > technologies
> > > > > for community building purposes. However, we haven't done anything
> > > > > innovative
> > > > > with the technologies in a while. That's a shame. Any suggestions
are
> > > more
> > > > > than welcome, and you can probably get the chance to implement and
> > test
> > > > your
> > > > > ideas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Colleen, thanks for your thoughts on this manner and taking the
> > > initiative
> > > > > to
> > > > > better our community and community-building means.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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