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  • From: Simon Spero <ses AT unc.edu>
  • To: InterNetWorkers <internetworkers AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu>
  • Subject: One more last post on Jenin.
  • Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:52:06 -0400


> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/TheTruth11_files/frame.htm

I know a lot of people on this list are tired of this subject, and I'm really, realy sorry for posting about this, but this lie needs to be refuted before it makes it to "Big Lie".

Here's are a few reports from the time, and Including one dated May 1st from the PA which should put this bullshit to rest for good.

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Whilst your reading, why not take a look before and after aerial photos.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0ll60

Simon
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:20:38 -0400
Subject: Planning on apologizing anytime soon?
From: Simon Spero <ses AT unc.edu>
To: "Phreaky Pholk" <phreaky-pholk AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu>

Guess what? There was no massacre in Jenin. Israeli soldiers put themselves
in extreme danger in attempt to minimize civilian injuries. 23 of them are
dead because they cared more about the lives of civilians in the camp than
Hamas and Fatah did.

If you're wondering why so many building had to be demolished, maybe this
will explain it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4394839,00.html

<< Palestinians admit the camp was liberally mined two or three days before
the assault. But the strategy failed because Israel had no compunction about
razing homes to make roads for its tanks.

"The thing we did not count on was the bulldozer. It was a catastrophe. If
the Israelis had only gone one by one inside the camp, they would never have
succeeded in entering," said Mr Damaj.


http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/45844.htm

THE MASSACRE THAT WASN'T

April 17, 2002 -- For days, Palestinian, U.N. and aid-group officials
declared flatly that Israeli troops had perpetrated a horrendous massacre of
innocent civilians at the Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank.

Once outside observers were allowed into the camp, they charged, it would be
clear that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's soldiers had committed a monstrous
war crime that would eclipse the killing fields of Kosovo.

On Monday, journalists entered Jenin. And what they found put the lie to
Yasser Arafat's outrageous propaganda.

To be sure, the physical destruction was enormous, reflecting the intense
fighting that took 23 Israeli lives.

But, Newsday's Edward Gargan wrote, "There is little evidence to suggest
that Israeli troops conducted a massacre of the dimensions alleged by
Palestinian officials." Said The Washington Post's Molly Moore: "No evidence
has yet surfaced to support allegations by Palestinian groups and aid
organizations of large-scale massacres or executions."

One U.N. official told Moore, "Everybody was thinking mass graves in the way
we think of Kosovo." But, he added, "I don't think we have seen that."

So much for Arafat's Big Lie.

About 40 bodies were discovered, all but three of them men - ammunition
belts strapped to their bodies - who quite clearly were engaged in armed
combat with the Israelis.

Indeed, it was precisely because Israel refused to conduct indiscriminate
bombing attacks - preferring the more dangerous course of house-to-house
searches - that 13 of its troops were killed at a booby-trapped house.

As the Israeli corps commander noted, "I could have finished it all with a
whistle. Full-corps fire on the center of the camp and the whole thing would
have been over. But we behave differently."

In fact, Jenin was a hotbed of Palestinian terrorist activity. Even Israel's
dovish foreign minister, Shimon Peres, acknowledges that "there wasn't a
house that wasn't booby-trapped."

Arafat's henchmen, confronted by the evidence, now claim that the Israelis
secretly spirited away hundreds of bodies under cover of night. Right.

Sadly, the damage to Israel's image already has been done. Far too many
people already believe the legend of the Jenin massacre, and international
media reports - especially in Europe - refuse to acknowledge the truth.

It's yet another burden that Israel must carry in its courageous battle to
defeat the evil menace of terrorism.

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Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 22:40:19 -0400
Subject: One last post on Jenin : Now the Palestinians admit they lied
about a 'massacre'
From: Simon Spero <ses AT unc.edu>
To: "Phreaky Pholk" <phreaky-pholk AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu>
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020501-5587072.htm

Jenin 'massacre' reduced to death toll of 56

Paul Martin
Published 5/1/2002

     JENIN, West Bank ? Palestinian officials yesterday put the death toll
at 56 in the two-week Israeli assault on Jenin, dropping claims of a
massacre of 500 that had sparked demands for a U.N. investigation.
     The official Palestinian body count, which is not disproportionate to
the 33 Israeli soldiers killed in the incursion, was disclosed by Kadoura
Mousa Kadoura, the director of Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement for the
northern West Bank, after a team of four Palestinian-appointed investigators
reported to him in his Jenin office.
     [Two weeks ago, when European and particularly London newspapers were
reporting estimates of "hundreds" massacred, Israeli sources in Washington
said they expected the Palestinian toll to reach "45 to 55."]
     U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan suggested yesterday, in the wake of
the Palestinian body count, that he may disband a U.N. fact-finding team
that was to visit the camp to determine whether a massacre had taken place.
     Mr. Annan was responding to a decision by the Israeli security Cabinet
earlier in the day not to cooperate with the U.N. team.
     The U.N.-Israeli dispute appeared unrelated to the Palestinian
admission there had been no massacre.
     The Palestinians had suggested that most of the bodies were buried
beneath the rubble of houses bulldozed by Israeli troops. No digging for
bodies was taking place here, and there was no stench that could have come
from decaying human flesh.
     The earlier Palestinian claims had sparked international outrage and
prompted the Bush administration to press Israel to accept a fact-finding
mission by the United Nations, an organization that the Jewish state regards
as having a pro-Palestinian bias.
     Mr. Kadoura yesterday showed a reporter for The Washington Times the
official Palestinian list of those who died. It contained 50 names. Six
additional bodies, he said, had not been identified.
     He no longer used the ubiquitous Palestinian charge of "massacre" and
instead portrayed the battle as a "victory" for Palestinians in resisting
Israeli forces. "Here the Israelis, who tried to break the Palestinian
willpower, have been taught a lesson," Mr. Kadoura said.
     He insisted that Israel had tried but failed, thanks to the heavy
fighting, to destroy the entire warren of homes in the camp that had housed
11,000 people.
     The destruction, pictured graphically on television, appeared linked to
Israeli bulldozing of the houses from which the remnant of the resistance
forces were firing.
     In fact, it covers the size of a large football field and constitutes
only about 10 percent of the housing in the camp, and a far smaller
proportion of the housing in the city, which was largely left untouched by
the Israeli incursion.
     The figures shown to The Times included 233 injured persons, mainly
men. The figures revealed that 18 persons had been injured and one had died
after the fighting had ended, the result of accidentally detonating either
shells left after the fighting, or booby traps that were set by Palestinian
gunmen throughout the camp.
     A British expert attached to the International Red Cross said these
booby traps were almost identical to those used by the Irish Republican
Army.
     The British claim suggested to analysts that IRA guerrillas were
schooled in terrorist weaponry and irregular warfare, as were many radical
guerrilla movements, in Palestinian, Syrian and Iranian training camps in
Lebanon.
     From behind a desk bedecked by portraits of Mr. Arafat, a string of
past "martyrs" and of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, the Palestinian chief
official in the city, who is also the Fatah leader, portrayed in an
interview the events as another chapter in a long saga of resistance to
foreign invaders ? from Crusader times onward ? that, he said, had made
Jenin "the heart of Palestine" for centuries.
     The propaganda war continues, meanwhile, in the refugee camp itself.
Families whose homes had been destroyed were ordered to sit and lie inside
tents pitched near the destruction, to be available for interviews and
filming with foreign reporters and photographers. At dusk, with the press
opportunities concluded, they returned to houses offered to them in the
undamaged city or in the rest of the refugee camp.
     Other young men, members of various factions, have been on duty in the
camp's narrow streets, eager to conduct foreign correspondents to places
where they say Israelis killed militants after they surrendered or had been
captured.
     Others in the city say the resistance to the Israeli incursion had been
carried out by only about 10 percent of the militants who had originally
been in the area. Most had retreated into the hills or into city back
streets as the Israelis entered the area, they said.
     Families living in houses directly opposite the destroyed area have
told The Washington Times that Israeli soldiers, who temporarily occupied
their houses just before the final battle began, treated them without
violence and assured them: "You will not be harmed."
     They confined the 36 members of the Abu Khalil family to two rooms,
allowing them out one by one, and set up a snipers' point upstairs through
two holes in the wall ? under a family framed message in Arabic: "There is
No God but Allah and Mohammed is His Messenger."
     They confiscated identity cards but left them on the table before
slipping out during the night.
     At the United Nations in New York, Undersecretary-General Kieran
Prendergast said "a thorough, credible and balanced report on recent events
in Jenin refugee camp would not be possible without the cooperation of the
government of Israel."
     "Since it appears from today's Cabinet statement by Israel that the
difficulties in the way of deployment of the fact-finding team will not be
resolved anytime soon, the secretary-general is minded to disband the team,"
he told reporters after briefing the U.N. Security Council.
     Diplomats said Mr. Prendergast told council members that Mr. Annan was
leaning toward disbanding the three-member team, which has been joined by
numerous advisers. The team, which was to have arrived in Jenin on Saturday,
remained in Geneva yesterday.
     The Security Council is to take up the issue of whether or not to
disband the mission at a meeting today.
     The United States put forward the resolution adopted by the Security
Council welcoming the dispatch of a U.N. team to find out what happened in
Jenin during the Israeli military's attacks.
     Israel initially agreed to the idea, but subsequently raised questions
over the composition of the team, its scope of inquiry, who could be called
as a witness and what documents would be presented to the panel.
     Mr. Prendergast said that "with every passing day, it becomes more
difficult to determine what happened" in Jenin. U.S. Ambassador John
Negroponte said Mr. Annan was considering whether to let the fact-finding
team begin its work in Geneva or "simply abandoning the mission on the
assumption that satisfactory terms of reference could not be worked out."
     ? This article is based in part on wire service reports.

Copyright © 2002 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.

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Then astound yourself with pictures of a man coming back from the dead.

http://www.idf.il/english/news/funeral.stm .

Subsequently, these events were explained:
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"Did you know that the Palestinian territories have a thriving movie industry? Neither did we, but that is the excuse now on offer for the phony funeral in Jenin, which the Israeli Defense Forces revealed last week. A group called "LAW-The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights & the Environment" makes the risible claim in a press release:

LAW has found evidence that at the same time an Israeli military camera shot what it said was a fake 'burial', a Palestinian producer was shooting a film at the same site. What was perceived as a staged 'burial' was actually acting for a film.

So let's see if we have this straight. This Palestinian filmmaker was shooting a movie in Jenin, even as the Israelis were supposedly shooting Palestinians by the hundred in Jenin. Massacre or no massacre, the show must go on. Hooray for Ramallywood!"

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