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[Edward Wesolowski <ids AT idisplay.com>]

And, in today's paper, the N&O take on the sessions Paul Jones attended: 
http://www.newsobserver.com/monday/business/technology/Story/500806p-500540c.html
Paul:
Thanks for the alternative perspective. I like having another view, from 
this side of the street. The privacy issue is a tangle in my own mind. My 
memory of the Scott McNeally comment, was that it was something like 
"Privacy, you don't have any privacy. Get over it!." My memory is that I 
heard him say it in some televised forum and the flip remark made me laugh. 
It isn't funny, though, but I worry that the issue falls into the area of 
'things I can't control.' The buzz in retailing I hear is CRM (Customer 
Relationship Management) and one-to-one selling. I guess this is the techno 
version of the  cracker barrel store clerk knowing his customer 's crops 
were bad that year or some personal information about the customer. Do I 
have to have an opinion on this?
Ed Wesolowski
edwes AT idisplay.com
919-960-0023
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From: Paul Jones <pjones AT metalab.unc.edu>
To: Eudora::"InterNetWorkers" <internetworkers AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>

Subject: [internetworkers] 10 myths about privacy
Date: 5/27/01 7:57 PM

This past Wednesday I was at the CPSR Privacy forum. Thanks Greg and
Christian and all of CPSR for putting on a great panel.

The speakers were Wayne Crews of Cato (who give pretty predictable
libertarian answers), Brock Meeks of MSNBC (who pretty much appologized
for working for both MS and NBS then went on to say why they weren't
actually invading any privacy or actually connected to each other), and
Robert Ellis Smith of the Privacy Journal. Smith spoke on the 10 greatest
myths about privacy. I've done my best to list them below with a - and his
response following. My notes are not perfect but you'll get the drift.

Smith also noted that the 4 pillars of privacy in Sen Edwards' talk on
Monday had been reduced from a slightly longer list. Edwards had: notice,
choice, access and security.  Removed were: restricted use (no secondary
use of data) and accuracy.  hmmmm.

Others who were there please correct me.

here are the top 10 myths about privacy according to Robert Ellis Smith

1) only those with something to hide need privacy
- actually groups bind by sharing secrets so groups need secrets (like a
Mason's handshake?)
2) privacy impeeds the free flow of information
- strawman?
3) technology always invades privacy
- technology can also help preserve privacy
4) worst case is that you get spam
- you gotta be kidding, there are obviously greater concerns
5) internet issues are paramount in privacy
- all inclusions including dna testing and archiving are worse
6) privacy costs too much
- not when properly measured. Privacy can save $$$
7) SSN cannot be used
- this is a myth. the warning that used to be on the card said 'not to be
used as an id' but this was a warning that SSN cards weren't as good as
drivers licenses etc. there is no prohibition to keeping SSNs
8) databanks are the worse problem
- location sensing and GPS are a much bigger invasion
9) enough privacy protection is already in place
- of course not
10) Privacy is already lost so get over it (ala Scott McNeally)
- no it's just beginning

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