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About closing the Nader-Gore Vote Swap sites....

Does this seem wrong to y'all? True, votes cannot by law -- and should
not -- be bought and sold or bartered for goods. However, the Nader-Gore
Vote swap is a private agreement between two people who freely choose to
associate with and trust each another, neither of whom will gain
materially by one iota once the deal is done. How are votes being
"brokered"?

I don't understand how this is any different from two Congress members
trading votes on particular bills, or union members agreeing to support
a particular candidate, or a neighbor eliciting your promise to vote for
his favorite candidate for county commission. OTOH, I do see first
amendment reasons (specifically freedoms of association, speech, and
press) to leave these sites strictly alone.

The problem must be with the visibility... surely the government of
California is not attempting to keep United States citizens from
expressing their political will in a national election. ... ... ...

URLs:

* http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001031/pl/campaign_traders_dc_1.html
(Reuters)
* http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/103100-02.htm ("Progressive"
viewpoint)
* http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/27/1446240&mode=nested
(cluebot thread)
* http://www.voteswap2000.com (the site that was shut down)
* http://www.winwincampaign.org/ (another Gore/Nader-swap site)
* http://www.nadertrader.org/ (the site I heard about first)

Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> ***********
> Background on Nader-Gore vote-trading:
> http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/27/1446240&mode=nested
> ***********
> 
> >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:58:34 -0500
> >From: Vergil Bushnell <vergil AT votenader.org>
> >X-Sender: "Vergil Bushnell" <@mail222311.smtpserver.pop.net> (Unverified)
> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet  (Win98; I)
> >X-Accept-Language: en
> >To: declan AT well.com
> >Subject: vote trading web site shut down
> >
> > >From the San Francisco Chronicle
> >Published on Tuesday, October 31, 2000 in the San Francisco Chronicle
> >
> >"California Shuts Down Vote-Trader Web Site
> >Secretary of state calls such swaps illegal"
> >by Lynda Gledhill
> >
> >http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/103100-02.htm
> 
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> 
> >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:36:43 -0400
> >From: "Christopher D. Hunter" <chunter AT asc.upenn.edu>
> >Organization: University of Pennsylvania
> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
> >X-Accept-Language: en,pdf
> >To: Declan McCullagh <declan AT well.com>
> >Subject: winwincampaign.org
> >
> >Declan,
> >
> >Here's a Gore - Nader vote swap site set up by an undergrad web designer
> >at Penn who we are friendly with.  It's not the first site to launch
> >with this idea in mind but I think it's the best implementation to date.
> >
> >http://www.winwincampaign.org/
> >
> >
> >Chris
> 
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Nader Trader Home Page
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:57:37 EST
From: [...]
To: b[eeline AT mindspring.com]

I am so p----- with R Nader that I could slap his egotistical face.
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Nader Trader Home Page
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:50:41 -0500
From: [beeline AT mindspring.com]
To: [...]

!

http://www.nadertrader.org/
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