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["Toni Hawryluk" <tonihawr AT msn.com>]

----- Original Message ----- From: Tvoivozhd<mailto:tvoivozd AT infionline.net>  
 
> All patriarchical societies are vicious, discriminatory and repressive 
> against women, (snip)

Not so healthy, physically *or* mentally, for men, either ...

> Common decency is a secular virtue, not a virtue of institutionalized 
> religion. (snip)

Like "common sense" - not so *common* any more.
>
> Since 1999, 12 states across the mainly Muslim north of the country have 
> begun reintroducing Sharia principles into their penal codes, including 
> punishments such as flogging, amputation and stoning.
>
> Proponents of Islamic law say the punishments are a small part of a system 

"...flogging, amputation, and stoning ..." are a
"small part" ?!?!? Daaaaannng ! 

> which guarantees law and order and the wellbeing 

*Whose* "well-being" since both women and men
are victims of it ? 

> of society.

Yeah. Right. And the part of "society" that benefits
are the only the elite religious leaders/"law" enforcers.

> However, human-rights groups have denounced the punishments as barbaric.

How 'effective' is "denouncing" against
"flogging, amputation, and stoning" .... ?
If they stopped banging their heads 
against the ground five times a day they 
might have some brain left for a thought 
to lodge in .... but then, seeing what is 
*still* running *this* country - - - oh, well.





>From tonihawr AT msn.com  Thu Nov 11 14:59:02 2004
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----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Jones<mailto:billj AT harborside.com>   
Hunter-gatherer societies don't accumulate excess population, so 
human sacrifice tends to occur in nascent agricultural societies, because 
they haven't yet found a systematic cultural mechanism for dealing with 
overpopulation.

So you're saying men who 'settle down'
go braindead instead of letting women
practice birth-control ?
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----- Original Message ----- From: Tvoivozhd<mailto:tvoivozd AT infionline.net>  
  Tragically, this means many more years of conflict in Iraq that will result 
in thousands more killed 

How many more thousands of dead Americans
is it going to take for some other country to
feel fairly comfortable in coming over *here*
to blast us on our own soil instead of having
*their* civilians killed ? And how many women/
children here know which end of a weapon
is the dangerous one ? (apart from some
drug-pushers who will become our "warlords") ?

> on both sides, and incomprehensible suffering for the people of Iraq, and 
> unpredictable instability for the 
entire Middle East.

How about unpredictable instability for the 
U.S.on it's own soil ? Or should that be :

"unpredictable *stability*" - because it *is* ...
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At 11/11/2004, you wrote:
>I only regret two things in moving to Roanoke area---the inability to grow
>mangos and avocados (not those nasty, oily little California avocados)

One thing that is really tempting about Saipan is the proliferation of
fruit trees/  My brother has Mangos, Papaya, Bread Fruit, huge purple
Avocados, Bananas, Sour Sour, Lemons, Taro,  and Coconuts around his
house.  His friend has star apple and a little red apple that looks like a
pepper.

The last time I was there I watched a Carolinian then a girl from the
Federated States of Micronesia cut up a coconut.

It does look like a place where one could have a a nice place with a
garden, chickens and bees except that only blooded Carolinians and
Chamorrow can own land.

Don Bowen
Awl Knotted Up Woodworking
Valley Center, CA             http://www.braingarage.com