Kata Markon

[Karel Hanhart <K.Hanhart AT net.HCC.nl>]

> Subject: Re: Flight of the Naked Young Man
> From: "Ray Pickett" <rpickett AT lsps.edu>
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:29:39 -0800
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> I take the "young man" (neaniskon) who appears dressed in a white robe =
> in 16:5 to be the same "young man" (neaniskos) who flees naked in =
> 14:51-52. I have thought this for so long I can't even remember whose =
> idea it is, but I think I may have read it in an article by Robin =
> Scroggs.=20
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> If this is a plausible rendering, then it would suggest a catechetical =
> use of Mark in a baptismal liturgy. The baptizand identifies with the =
> "young man" in his nakedness during the passion where all desert Jesus =
> and flee (14:50) only to be raised and clothed with Christ so that fear =
> can give way to faithful following of Jesus.
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> This is just one possibility, but it seems to me that the "young man" in =
> the tomb requires as much of an explanation as the "young man" in =
> 14:51-2.
>
> Ray Pickett

You are right, there certainly is no consensus. I agree with you that the 
neaniskos  in Getsemane
and in the open tomb are one and the same person.  Austin Farrer and Scroggs 
and Groff have written in this vein. If indeed Mark was deeply influenced by 
Pauline thought - I too take this to be
the case - than a profound symbolism is expressed here" the young man 
symbolizes the concert to faith in Jesus. He is "buried with Christ" in order 
to "rise with him to new life".
I have written extensively on the subject  on pp 341-348; + 349 - 392 (I 
mention it again simply because. I am looking forward to a critique showing 
me where I may have gone wrong}.
Prof. Neirynck, of Louvain offered a valid critique of the idea that the 
neaniskos is an "initiate" baptized after the reading of the passion story. 
He failed to see what connection there was of
baptism with the military scene of soldier grabbing the youth in his flight. 
This set me to further research: 1. Mark must have had a historical disciple 
or apostle (sun-ekolouthei!) in mind like
Simon Peter - yet, there must also be a reason why in the vision of the women 
he appears as a messenger from beyond the veil of death. In other words this 
historical youth, must historically have
gone through an experience symbolized in the flight from Getsemane and he 
must have died in the period. between Gethsemane and the event the women saw 
in their vision (I believe, the traumatic
events of 70).

Karel Hanhart

> Subject: Re: young man
> From: "warren barber" <barbewa AT hotmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:24:25
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> I think the young man is John-Mark, the author himself, over whom Paul and
> Barnabas parted company in Acts 15:38-39. I believe His mother's house is
> likly the location of the "upper room" of the house church in Acts 1 :12,
> and where the diciples partook of the last supper Mark 14 before
> unexpectedly (to them not Jesus) leaving for gethsemane after Judas left to
> betry Him.  Returning with the temple guards (because he couldn't tell them
> before hand where they would be because of Jesus' unusual instructions in
> 14:13-15 had hid the location from Judus)finding them gone figures they
> probably went to Gethsemane and goes there, John/Mark awoken (at his
> mother's house by the temple guards and Judus, quickly pull about himself
> just a sheet and follows to see what is going on and in there by an
> eyewittness to what he later records with Peter's help in the Gospel of
> Mark.  This also follow an existing pattern of litterature in which the
> author anonamously records his presence.

Warren,

If indeed Mark wanted to write history as accurately as possible than yours 
is a valid alternative.
Theodor Zahn offered it  in the last century already. But the problem remains 
why the author himself, John Mark, would not have mentioned before explaining 
how he accompanied Jesus and the twelve
to Gethsemane. More difficult  to answer is the question why Mark would place 
himself - while still in this life - in the role of an angel. There would 
have been a less spectacular and less
prideful way of introducing himself into the story. If I remember correctly, 
Zahn only referred to the youth in Getsemane - signing in this manner, in the 
margin so to speak, his gospel.

Karel Hanhart

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