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- From: Frediano Ziglio <freddy77 AT gmail.com>
- To: FreeTDS Development Group <freetds AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows
- Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:59:50 +0100
Il 03 aprile 2012 05:00, James K. Lowden <jklowden AT freetds.org> ha scritto:
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:05:39 +0100
> Frediano Ziglio <freddy77 AT gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Freddy,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to explain this. It's a hard
> problem, I agree. IIUC, one socket in pair is for the tcp/ip
> connection to the server, and the other is for signalling (via poll
> (2)) that SQLCancel was called. Whichever comes ready first wakes up
> poll(2). A clever and elegant design.
>
> Like everything in programming, there are other ways. And, because I
> didn't think of your way, I spent some time thinking of others. I'd
> like to understand the race condition better, because that's crucial.
> If there's no race condition -- and I don't see one -- then just
> setting a flag suffices.
>
> You raise some concerns that make the requirements seem stricter than
> they really are. Let me address them.
>
>> From dblib/ctlib specification cancel can be called from a signal
>> handler.
>
> Not according to anything I've read, e.g.:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa936950(SQL.80).aspx
>
> http://manuals.sybase.com/onlinebooks/group-cnarc/cng1110e/dblib/@Generic__BookTextView/8979;pt=8800
>
> http://infocenter.sybase.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.sybase.help.sdk_12.5.1.ctref/html/ctref/X86092.htm
>
>> handle user input like ctrl-c sending a cancel we must be signal safe.
>
> No. The application traps the signal and uses the library
> appropriately. It cannot call the library from within the handler.
>
>> You could try to stop signal, do the checks and then restart signaling
>
> No need.
>
>> From MS specifications (SQLCancel) cancel can be called from another
>> thread.
>
> Yes. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms714112
> (v=vs.85).aspx and
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms715361
> (v=vs.85).aspx.
>
> So, we could have:
>
> thread #1: pending on any ODBC function
> thread #2: SQLCancel on the same statement handle
>
> That means every ODBC function must have a way to notice that SQLCancel
> has been called while blocked against I/O. That is why we use
> non-blocking I/O, tds_select(), and poll(2).
>
>> How cancel should detect that something is working on the socket and
>> not break data?
>
> Exactly how we were doing it. Call poll(2) with a 1-second timeout.
> On each timeout look for a cancellation. If cancelled, do the right
> thing.
>
>> On write is more complicated cause it cannot write and so it has to
>> signal the other to send a cancel when it can. But how to signal?
>> Setting a variable at first sight seemed ok but it cause a race
>> condition that is hard to manage.
>
> This is the crux of the matter. The simplest thing for SQLCancel to do
> is set a flag. I think it's sufficient, and easier to manage than a
> second socket.
>
> Why is it hard to manage? SQLCancel sets
> is_cancelled = 1. tds_goodread/tds_goodwrite examines is_cancelled on
> each 1-second timeout. It's either true or false. No race condition
> and no problem.
>
> It's true that a cancel can be messy. There are two kinds of
> cancellation, good and bad:
>
> Good. The server is notified within the TDS protocol, and acknowledges
> the cancel packet. In this case the connection remains OK and the
> cancelled function simply fails. Processing can continue.
>
> Bad. The server is not notified. The library must close the connection
> and set TDS_DEAD. The function fails and processing cannot continue.
>
> Reading is normally a Good case: it's possible to send
> TDS_BUFSTAT_ATTN and receive TDS_BUFSTAT_ATTNACK. That can happen on a
> timeout or SQLCancel. It can also happen because of dbcancel() or
> SQLFreeStmt() before reading the last row of a result set.
>
> But what if TDS_BUFSTAT_ATTN cannot be sent, or
> TDS_BUFSTAT_ATTNACK is not received? Then it's a Bad case.
>
> Writing, as you say, is normally a Bad case. The client can
> always cease sending, but it can't *send* anything while it's blocked.
> There's no way to send TDS_BUFSTAT_ATTN. All it can do (whether
> timeout or SQLCancel) is close the connection and mark it DEAD.
>
>> Just to complicate things to support tls you cannot write to socket
>> without checking for read cause on long write to server could require
>> crypt key change so we need always to test for read.
>
> Well, yes, it does complicate things. Normally reading and
> writing are separate: *either* tds_goodread *or* tds_goodwrite is
> pending, but not both, and not one calling the other. But that's just
> a little bit of state that has to be managed in the SSL logic.
>
> In sum:
>
> 1. I'm still not convinced a second socket is needed. It's clever,
> and it appeals to me because I like IPC. But I don't see the race
> condition and I think a simple flag would do the job.
>
> 2. I'm not saying we need to change anything. I just want to be clear
> about what the needs are, and not to make things more complicated than
> they really are. If a flag really is enough, then there's certainly no
> need to introduce proprietary OS calls to replace the "simple" socket.
>
> Regards,
>
> --jkl
Did I say I hate polling :-) ?
If a server is processing I don't want to stop and resume waiting
every second just to manage cancel case.
That's we I used the second socket! We never poll if not needed. So
the socketpair is used to stop the select when needed. Using events is
just another way to do it on Windows but as said is just an
optimization (that is not needed).
Writing is not always a bad case! If you are writing a lot of data
(like a big picture or a file.. which somebody says should not go
inside a db) you can stop sending, just catch the cancellation, stop
sending and sending a cancel packet instead. Obviously you have to
finish sending the packet you are sending. With mars is a bit more
complicated as you have to cancel the right session.
Frediano
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Re: [freetds] RE : tds_socketpair on windows
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Re: [freetds] RE : tds_socketpair on windows,
Frediano Ziglio, 04/01/2012
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Re: [freetds] RE : tds_socketpair on windows,
James K. Lowden, 04/01/2012
- Re: [freetds] RE : tds_socketpair on windows, Frediano Ziglio, 04/02/2012
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Re: [freetds] RE : tds_socketpair on windows,
James K. Lowden, 04/01/2012
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Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows,
James K. Lowden, 04/01/2012
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Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows,
Frediano Ziglio, 04/01/2012
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Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows,
James K. Lowden, 04/01/2012
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Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows,
Frediano Ziglio, 04/01/2012
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Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows,
James K. Lowden, 04/01/2012
- Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows, Frediano Ziglio, 04/02/2012
- Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows, James K. Lowden, 04/03/2012
- Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows, Frediano Ziglio, 04/05/2012
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Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows,
James K. Lowden, 04/01/2012
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Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows,
Frediano Ziglio, 04/01/2012
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Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows,
James K. Lowden, 04/01/2012
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Re: [freetds] tds_socketpair on windows,
Frediano Ziglio, 04/01/2012
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Re: [freetds] RE : tds_socketpair on windows,
Frediano Ziglio, 04/01/2012
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