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  • Subject: [Compostteas] Re: Compostteas digest, Vol 1 #73 - 15 msgs
  • Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:47:35 +0000

Att Carol About your tea brewer. Please contact me
directly at RNo9616 AT aol.com Or by cell 206 571 4671. Bob
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> 1. Re: Be considerate (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 2. Test of new setting (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 3. One more try of new setting (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 4. sign up (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 5. Re: sign up (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 6. Re: chromatography (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 7. Re: One more try of new setting (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 8. Re: One more try of new setting (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 9. Re: One more try of new setting (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 10. Re: One more try of new setting (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 11. Re: One more try of new setting (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 12. Re: chromatography (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 13. Re: chromatography (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 14. Re: One more try of new setting (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 15. Re: One more try of new setting (compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org)
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> Message: 1
> To: <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>, "Allan Balliett" <igg AT igg.com>
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Be considerate
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:37:19 -0800
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> Re Allen suggestion on the reply default:. Unless you hit "Reply to all"
> the rest of the list doesn't get the response.
> Allan, thanks for the tip. I will see if I can adjust that! I am not sure
> the program will let me, but I will give it a try! I just unilaterally
> changed the way messages are posted. After this message, apparently the
> "sender" address will not be shown. Let me test it and see if this helps...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Your faithful tea making servant.
>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:42:25 -0800
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [Compostteas] Test of new setting
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> This is from Jeff and is merely a test
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> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:48:31 -0800
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> Subject: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
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> Under this system, you will only see the compostteas address. Is this
> acceptable to folks? What it means is when you hit reply the default is to
> the list, not to the original sender. If you want to be contacted off list,
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> In this quasi democracy of a news list community, we do accept feedback
> though we don't always listen. If this setting is not acceptable, let us
> know and we can change it back.
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> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] sign up
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:22:13 -0500
> To: TimelesEnt AT aol.com
> Cc: "Compost tea List Serve" <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>,
> "Mina, Vincent/Irene" <mauimina AT t-link.net>
> Organization: Soil Foodweb Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] chromatography
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> Hi Carol -
>
> Let's keep sight of why paper chromatography was suggested. The point is to
> have a simple test that is easy. Convenient. Not difficult. On-site.
> Cheap
> - coffee filter or whatman filter paper #1, and a drop of your tea is pretty
> inexpensive.
>
> Isn't the fact that it takes 24 hours to get the data back from SFI, and
> TAFB
> costs $80, the reason why folks are looking for something less expensive,
> easy
> to run on each batch? Use the SFI test on occasion to confirm that your
> method
> is each-batch testing is telling you that the tea is good.
>
> Are chromas faster than 24 hours? No. The extraction of the material you
> put
> on the filter paper to do the chroma test takes 24 hours (and requires
> sodium
> hydroxide for the extraction - not nice stuff). Once they have been
> developed
> - three to four days later and using more nasty stuff - what do they mean?
> I
> know no one that can tell you what the different patterns mean. What
> compound
> is each band? No one has ever been able to explain that to me. I'd love
> to do
> the work and figure it out. Send funding.
>
> Chromas require the use of toxic chemicals. The amount of silver nitrate,
> gold
> nitrate or ferric sulfate needed to do chroma tests is significant. The
> reagents are metals, nitrates, sulfates and you have to dispose of them
> correctly. I dislike contributing to more pollution if we don't have to use
> these chemicals.
>
> Realistically, the chroma tests have to be sent to a lab to be done
> correctly.
> They are not cheap, they are not fast, they cost money, they are difficult
> to
> interpret. None of these are reasons we embarked on this discussion about
> simple, easy-to-use, immediate results to tell if your tea is poor, ok,
> good or
> excellent. Doing an SFI test is faster, cheaper, easier to interpret.
> Tells
> you something different though.
>
> The point of doing paper chromatography is to have something EASY, that you
> DO
> RIGHT AT THE TEA MAKER.
>
> So, if you want to talk about chromas, we should form a thread about that.
> Could we start a thread that calls itself "BD CHROMA", and keep on with the
> filter paper thread as something separate?
>
> So, I would like a group of people to try the filter paper to see if it
> would
> give useful patterns. Please try it, and then tell everyone else how it
> worked. Clear patterns? Nothing useful? What about different paper
> materials? Works better.
>
> The beauty is that IF this tells us something useful, everyone could do it.
> I'd do the work to relate it to the SFI tests. What do the different
> patterns
> mean? But we need some observations first. Give it a try. Report what
> happens.
>
> OK?
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
>
> Elaine Ingham
>
> P.S.
> Hey, I've been elected a trustee for the Maui organic growers group! This
> is
> marvelous! I'll be doing a Farm Tour in Hana in August! Everyone is
> invited -
> ok, you have to pay money, but the person to contact is Vince Mina
> mauimina AT t-link.net See you there!
>
> Here's the background for my comment -
>
> TimelesEnt AT aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 7/14/02 1:06:30 AM, ggerrard AT resonant.com.au writes:
> >
> > << >
> > >We would have to do some testing to see if this would actually be
> > >indicative of good tea. So, who wants to work on this with me?
> > >
> > >Elaine Ingham
> > >Soil Foodweb Inc.
> > >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Hi Elaine,
> > I used to be a chemist, and I'm interested in doing whatever I can to
> > help.
> > Haven't been able to save up enough money to buy my one gallon Alaskan tea
> > brewer yet, so I don't have any tea to test.
> > I noticed that iron sulphate was mentioned along with silver and gold
> > compounds.
> > I don't know why that wouldn't be usable, harmless and inexpensive.
> >
> > Gee, I wish I had a lab.
> > Carol
>
>
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> Message: 7
> To: <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:30:39 +1000
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> To: <Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:48 AM
> Subject: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
>
>
> > Under this system, you will only see the compostteas address. Is this
> > acceptable to folks? What it means is when you hit reply the default is
> to
> > the list, not to the original sender. If you want to be contacted off
> list,
> > you need would need to include your address either in the CC or in the
> body
> > of the message
>
> Hello Jeff
> Don't know what the rest of the list thinks but I don't like
> this system. I would much rather have the option of replying off list to
> some posts if I think thats needed. BDnow has been going for a fair while
> and we can do this if we like on there.
> Cheers
> Lloyd Charles
>
>
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> Message: 8
> To: <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:23:42 -0800
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> Keep those messages coming re the new setting. So far the vote is
> tie.....jeff AT gardener.com
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:24:05 -0400
> To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> I agree with Lloyd Charles.
> Essie Hull
>
> At 08:30 AM 07/15/02 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> >To: <Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:48 AM
> >Subject: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
> >
> >
> > > Under this system, you will only see the compostteas address. Is this
> > > acceptable to folks? What it means is when you hit reply the default is
> >to
> > > the list, not to the original sender. If you want to be contacted off
> >list,
> > > you need would need to include your address either in the CC or in the
> >body
> > > of the message
> >
> >Hello Jeff
> > Don't know what the rest of the list thinks but I don't
> > like
> >this system. I would much rather have the option of replying off list to
> >some posts if I think thats needed. BDnow has been going for a fair while
> >and we can do this if we like on there.
> >Cheers
> >Lloyd Charles
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:20:48 -0400
> To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> Jeff -
>
> I'd say the votes were not voting for the same thing.
> I moderate BD Now! The way it is set up is that replies automatically
> go the list (which is the way it should be), but everyone (everyone
> with a decent email tool, that is!) receives the sender's email also
> (in the header), so, manually, any recipient can reply off-line to
> the sender.
>
> If a list caters to off-line conversations, it soon becomes pretty
> empty itself.
>
> IMHO, of course, -Allan
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> >To: <Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:48 AM
> >Subject: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
> >
> >
> >> Under this system, you will only see the compostteas address. Is this
> >> acceptable to folks? What it means is when you hit reply the default is
> >to
> >> the list, not to the original sender. If you want to be contacted off
> >list,
> >> you need would need to include your address either in the CC or in the
> >body
> >> of the message
> >
> >Hello Jeff
> > Don't know what the rest of the list thinks but I don't
> > like
> >this system. I would much rather have the option of replying off list to
> >some posts if I think thats needed. BDnow has been going for a fair while
> >and we can do this if we like on there.
> >Cheers
> >Lloyd Charles
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Compostteas mailing list
> >Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:22:32 -0400
> To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> In addition, it is REALLY irritating to not be able to see the
> senders id in the 'from' column of my received mail file.
>
> Jeff, there must be another option.
>
> -Allan
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:39:42 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] chromatography
> To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/02 2:19:43 PM, compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> writes:
>
> << So, if you want to talk about chromas, we should form a thread about
> that.
> Could we start a thread that calls itself "BD CHROMA", and keep on with the
> filter paper thread as something separate? >>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:53:00 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] chromatography
> To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/02 2:19:43 PM, compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> writes:
>
> << So, if you want to talk about chromas, we should form a thread about
> that.
> Could we start a thread that calls itself "BD CHROMA", and keep on with the
> filter paper thread as something separate? >>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I don't know why my computer sent out the mail before I had a chance to
> write
> my message.
>
> Chroma I understand. What does BD stand for? I don't think ferric sulfate
> is toxic, or polluting in small quantities. The thing I read before said
> iron sulfate, which could be ferrous sulfate. Relatively harmless also.
> ???
>
> I'd like to experiment with filter paper, after I save up enough money to
> get
> my tea-maker. A drop on the paper, or dip a strip. Not coffee filters
> probably, although if some consistent results come with filter paper, a
> comparison could be made. I wonder if the unbleached coffee filters would
> work any better. The scale I think of would be compostable, (compostible?)
> Non-polluting. Maybe later. I've got nothing to work with right now.
>
> Haven't quit thinking about forests, either.
> TTYL
> Carol
>
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> To: <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:58:21 -0800
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> Can I enlist your help? Here is the administrative site. Tool around and
> see what you can find! I set the password to PIZZA
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:14:13 +1000
> From: compostteas-admin AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
>
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> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] One more try of new setting
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> > In addition, it is REALLY irritating to not be able to see the
> > senders id in the 'from' column of my received mail file.
> EXTREMELY irritating specially when you want to go back looking for some
> particular posting
> Lloyd Charles
> >
> > Jeff, there must be another option.
> >
> > -Allan
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