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- From: Sarah Currier <sarah.currier AT strath.ac.uk>
- To: Jonathan Mitchell <website3 AT jonathanmitchell.info>
- Cc: Creative Commons UK <cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] Using CC for our project- advice?
- Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:37:13 +0000
Many thanks to Jonathan and to Ian Brown for their replies to my query
which have assisted a great deal. It is clear that for our project as
it currently stands it is not appropriate to use CC- but I for one am
hopeful that it may become possible for projects like ours in future. Jonathan Mitchell wrote: Yes, it is indeed something like "academics only" at present and for the foreseeable future (although may expand to include social work professionals in the field, social work stuednts, etc.).I think the answer to the first question depends on the nature of the password protection. If password-access is simply being used to make up a register of users, as many newspapers do (e.g. The Scotsman, Guardian, New York Times), I see no problem (but mild irritation). If however it is being used in the manner of a pay-to-view site, or 'academics only', that is a form of DRM technology which has both the intent and the effect of restricting the ability of members of the public to exercise their rights to view the work in question and is accordingly incompatible with the use of CC licenses as I understand them. Yup.Not only could CC licenses not be attached to material behind a password which was not freely available, but if they were so attached anyone with a password would be well entitled to put them up on another site with no protection. No, for all classes of material at present CC licensing won't be appropriate- this is because we are dealing with institutions who hold copyright on their academics' teaching and learning materials, rather than individuals. Of course, universities could well say "Hey yeah! Let's make all our t&l materials available on CC licences" but I'm not very optimistic about that just now! There may be some exceptions in future but we need to sort out what we're doing for the vast majority for now.Looking at your website at http://www.storcuram.ac.uk/scope_policy.htm , I have the impression that the materials you have in mind fall into two classes, those to which there is no reason why there should not be public access (so that CC licensing was appropriate) and material which is restricted, so that it perhaps only the latter that is behind a password. No, not at all, it's simply poor accessibility (unless you have an incredibly broad definition of "DRM")! Point taken with the proviso "It weren't me, guv" and the assurance that as we come to the end of our first round of funding and publicly launch everything, I'll make sure that the team puts stuff on the website in properly accessible formats! :-)Incidentally, isn't publishing documents in Microsoft Word .doc format itself a form of DRM? This is great news- thanks to all those who worked on this.Sarah also asks:And how is work going on the Scottish version of the CC licences?I attach the current draft in html; the link to a page on the CC website isn't yet live. We hope to have the project formally open in the next week or two; meanwhile see http://www.jonathanmitchell.info/informationlaw.html for progress (also link to the current draft if the one attached doesn't get through). Best wishes Sarah From: Sarah Currier <sarah.currier AT strath.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:00:18 +0000 To: cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [Cc-uk] Using CC for our project- advice? Hi all, I joined this list a wee while ago and have read the list archives and the CC website. My project, which is creating a repository for learning resources for Scottish social work education, is in the midst of grappling with licensing issues and the CC option is one we are looking at closely. I have a few questions which I wonder if someone (or some of you) wouldn't mind having a look at. Firstly to explain a bit about what we are doing to give background. SIESWE (Scottish Institute for Excellence in Social Work Education) is funding a repository for the sharing of digital learning resources amongst the 9 universities teaching social work in Scotland. These resources will come in three ways: from the educational community directly; from existing sources of learning resources to be adapted by us for the repository e.g. taking a printed pack and converting into digital form for sharing; and learning resources which we will be creating ourselves with subject experts. Users of the repository (and hence the resources) will be social work educators in Scotland in the short term. It is possible our user base will expand to include, for instance, social work educators throughout the UK or globally, professional social workers in the field, educators in related disciplines such as health care, or college teachers teaching social care. Over all, however, the repository will be accessible only by registered users, via user name and password. NB: Much of the following is still under discussion and subject to legal advice; this e-mail just summarises some of our ideas at the moment: We would like the conditions of use attached to each resource to include: global non-commercial use only, creators must be attributed, and for resources to be adaptable by users. We would also likely have an alternative licence in case there are resources which contributors will not allow adaptation for. It does seem that we are working within the capabilities of CC as a licensing system. We do question, however, the meaning of: "You may not distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform the Work with any technological measures that control access or use of the Work in a manner inconsistent with the terms of this License Agreement." Is password protecting a community sharing resource like our repository infringing this? Is the "You" referred to here us (the repository) or the users of the repository who will actually be using the resources? We are thinking that only registered users of the repository may use the resources; they may not pass them on to anyone else. Are there any other issues that you can see arising from the scenario I have described?Many thanks Sarah -- ******************************************* Ms. Sarah Currier Librarian, Stòr Cùram Project "A Storehouse of Learning Resources for Social Care" Dept. of Social Work, University of Strathclyde c/o: Centre for Academic Practice, University of Strathclyde Graham Hills Building, 50 George Street Glasgow G1 1QE, Scotland, United Kingdom Web: http://www.storcuram.ac.uk/ Tel.: +44 (0)141 548 4573 Fax: +44 (0)141 553 2053 E-mail: sarah.currier AT strath.ac.uk Mob.: +44 (0)7980 855 801 Stòr Cùram is Gaelic for Storehouse of Care ******************************************* _______________________________________________ Cc-uk mailing list Cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-uk -- ******************************************* Ms. Sarah Currier Librarian, Stòr Cùram Project "A Storehouse of Learning Resources for Social Care" Dept. of Social Work, University of Strathclyde c/o: Centre for Academic Practice, University of Strathclyde Graham Hills Building, 50 George Street Glasgow G1 1QE, Scotland, United Kingdom Web: http://www.storcuram.ac.uk/ Tel.: +44 (0)141 548 4573 Fax: +44 (0)141 553 2053 E-mail: sarah.currier AT strath.ac.uk Mob.: +44 (0)7980 855 801 Stòr Cùram is Gaelic for Storehouse of Care ******************************************* |
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[Cc-uk] Using CC for our project- advice?,
Sarah Currier, 03/01/2005
- Re: [Cc-uk] Using CC for our project- advice?, Ian Brown, 03/01/2005
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Re: [Cc-uk] Using CC for our project- advice?,
Jonathan Mitchell, 03/01/2005
- Re: [Cc-uk] Using CC for our project- advice?, Sarah Currier, 03/03/2005
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