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[Jon Phillips <jon AT creativecommons.org>]

This is great news all! Congrats on this moving forward!

Jon


On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 14:53 +0800, Rebecca MacKinnon wrote:
> Thanks to everybody who attended last night's meeting!  Sorry for
> those of you who tried to call in on Skype - the wifi kept kicking me
> off the network for some reason. Fortunately there were only one or
> two of  you and I promise in future I will sort out the remote
> participation issues a bit better :) Anyways, here is a summary of
> what went on:
> 
> 
> We were honored to be joined by Dr. Catharina Maracke, International
> Coordinator for Creative Commons International. (For a full list of
> attendees, see the bottom of this summary.)
> 
> 
> - HOST INSTIUTION, LEGAL LEAD & COMMUNITY LEAD:  Catharina announced
> that the Journalism & Media Studies Centre at HKU will serve as the
> host academic institution for bringing CC to Hong Kong, thanks to the
> generosity and decisiveness of JMSC Director Prof. Ying Chan. HKU Law
> Faculty Professors Alice Lee and Li Yahong will head the legal team,
> working with others in the legal community who want to help in
> localizing the CC license to Hong Kong law.  Rebecca MacKinnon,
> Assistant Prof. at the JMSC, will for now serve as community point
> person, with the help of other members of the Hong Kong community. As
> Catharina explained, the leadership team of CC HK can evolve over
> time,  and Rebecca certainly hopes that CCHK's public spokesperson
> will ultimately be a HK person not a recently arrived American. But
> this current arrangement seems to Catharina and the other people at CC
> headquarters as the most expedient approach to getting things off the
> ground and running. 
> 
> 
> - LOCALIZATION OF THE CC LICENSE:  One very important thing needs to
> happen before an official Creative Commons Hong Kong organization can
> be launched:  The international Creative Commons license needs to be
> localized into Hong Kong law, with versions both in English and
> Chinese. HKU Law Profs Alice Li and Li Yahong will spearhead this
> effort, and welcome other lawyers and law students in this community
> to get involved with helping. Once a draft of the localized license
> has been created, it will be circulated in the community for comments
> and suggestions. Then it will be revised into a final form. Once it
> has been completely finalized, only then will it be possible to
> officially "launch" a Creative Commons Hong Kong organization.  Profs
> Lee & Li :-) are hoping this can happen within the coming half year.
> Catharina says that the amount of time needed in different countries
> has varied dramatically: in some places only a few months were needed,
> in other countries it took several years. How long it takes in HK is
> up to all the lawyers and law students in our community here. 
> 
> 
> - USING THE LICENSE BEFORE THE CC HK LAUNCH:  Before the CC HK license
> is launched, people in HK are certainly free to use works that have
> been created and published/distributed under any CC license anywhere
> on earth, as long as of course we follow the terms of the individual
> license (i.e., whether the specific license is non-commercial only,
> whether it allows remixing or not, etc.).  Many people in Hong Kong
> are already publishing their own works under the generic international
> CC license, and we should all feel free to do so. This is naturally
> better than nothing but it will not necessarily hold up in a Hong Kong
> court if somebody uses your work in ways not permitted by the license
> you selected. A question was asked whether CC licenses have been
> upheld by courts in other jurisdictions and Catharina cited a couple
> examples of yes.
> 
> 
> - THE LAUNCH: Once the Creative Commons license is completely
> localized under Hong Kong law and everybody is happy with it, it will
> be incorporated into the Creativecommons.org website, in the area
> where anybody creating content anywhere in the world can go to select
> the license they need. (See http://creativecommons.org/license/)  As
> soon as is practical after that, based on funding and logistics, we
> would plan to hold an official Creative Commons Hong Kong launch
> event. Schedule permitting, we would hope that such luminaries as
> Creative Commons founder Larry Lessig would come out. It would be
> great to combine this with seminars or workshops that would help to
> educate the legal community, government officials, educators, media
> organizations, artists, students, and general public in Hong Kong
> about CC.   
> 
> 
> - PROMOTING CC IN HONG KONG: Many people in the meeting talked about
> how much work there is to be done in educating the government, the
> universities, the media, the arts community, and pretty much everybody
> in HK about CC and why it's a good thing, how the licenses can be used
> (and how they can't be used), etc.. There are lots of projects we can
> organize and support. Many people in the room already have specific
> projects they want to undertake. If you would like to propose a
> project or claim a particular area in which you'd like to promote CC,
> please go to the "Volunteer" area on our wiki and declare your
> interest. http://cchk.wetpaint.com/  If you don't have an account on
> the wiki, just sign up on the right hand side of the page, and then
> you will be able to add your thoughts and information easily. 
> 
> 
> - FUNDING:  We will of course need to raise funds to pay for a launch
> event and other CC promotion activities. It's likely we will want to
> hire somebody part-time to handle administrative coordination for the
> project. These funds will need to be raised from local businesses,
> individuals, other institutions, and perhaps there could also be
> public funds - as Charles Mok pointed out. 
> 
> 
> - GOVERNMENT RELATIONS: This is a good time to get going on CC HK
> because the Digital Copyright law is still under advisement. There is
> a lot of work to be done in educating regulators and lawmakers about
> the fact that there are alternatives beyond traditional copyright that
> might help to foster creativity and innovation in Hong Kong. Charles
> Mok has many good ideas about how we can proceed on this.
> 
> 
> - REGULAR MEETINGS: It was suggested that we hold a CC HK meeting at
> least once every 2 months so that we can all continue to brainstorm
> and update each other where various aspects of the project stand.
> These don't always need to happen at HKU - they could be hosted by
> different members of the community on different months, so sometimes
> we will be more convenient for people on Kowloon side and sometimes
> more convenient for HK Island, etc.
> 
> 
> - WEBSITES, EMAIL LIST, ETC. : Right now, since CC HK has not yet
> officially launched, we cannot create an official "Creative Commons
> Hong Kong" website without causing problems for CC International, as
> well as causing confusion in the community here about whether or not
> there is a localized license. Meanwhile we will use the "Fans of
> Creative Commons" Wiki at: http://cchk.wetpaint.com/  to inform the
> community and invite broad participation. Hopefully all of you will
> sign up for accounts on the wiki and use it to organize the work  you
> want to do.  I would suggest using Google Docs or a separate password
> protected wiki to jointly work on documents and projects in a more
> private space.
> We will also continue to use this e-mail list. If there are people you
> know who want to get involved, they should sign up here: 
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-hk  
> 
> 
> ATTENDEES: (Please correct me if I got your name wrong or let me know
> if I missed your name. I didn't have everybody's full name and not
> necessarily all titles.)
> 
> 
> Dr. Catharina Maracke, International Coordinator, Creative Commons
> International
> Prof. Ying Chan, Director, HKU Journalism & Media Studies Ctr.
> Li Yahong & Alice Lee, HKU Law Faculty
> Hagen (sorry don't have full name - please let me know)
> Deki - famous "Just a Sidekick" blogger :)
> Janet Lau - City University
> Micky Yip - City U, Legalvoice.hk
> Nicky Tse - Trainee solicitor, Hau, Lau, Li & Yeung
> Paul Cheung - City U., Legalvoice.hk
> Chong Chan-yao HKU director of student dev
> Ben & Oiwan Lam, Inmedia 
> Randy Shek - DotAsia lawyer, HKU, etc
> Charles Mok - HK Internet Society etc.
> Kenneth Yip- ASTRI.org - HK Applied Science & Technology Research
> Institute
> Greg, Chinese U. information engineering student
> Uta Lam - blogger, web 2.0 entrepreneur
> Yat Siu, CEO of Outblaze
> Rebecca MacKinnon, HKU
> 
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> Rebecca MacKinnon
> Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies Ctr.
> University of Hong Kong   (http://jmsc.hku.hk)
> 
> 
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