Developer discussion for Creative Commons technology and tools

["Maloney, Christopher (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C]" <maloneyc AT ncbi.nlm.nih.gov>]

The OBO folks (e.g. http://www.bioperl.org/wiki/Main_Page) squashed the spam 
problem by requiring people to log in with openid. 

Chris Maloney
NIH/NLM/NCBI (Contractor)
Building 45, 5AN.24D-22
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Mills [mailto:dan AT creativecommons.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: Mike Linksvayer
> Cc: cc-devel AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [cc-devel] Spamlinks on the CC wiki
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Yeah, the spam situation is unfortunate. If a few of us can monitor &
> approve new accounts I think we could make the confirmation extension
> approach work. What do you all think?
> 
> I'm in the middle of figuring out a big migration over to AWS, I will see
> about sneaking this change in sooner rather than later.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Mike Linksvayer
> <ml AT gondwanaland.com> wrote:
> > Hi, I've no idea about HQ chores, but to be clear...
> >
> > The ConfirmAccounts extension requires someone with access to the host
> > the wiki is running on to install it. I've only installed on one wiki,
> > but don't recall it being difficult.
> >
> > The extension places an onerous "confirmation" step prior to getting
> > an account. I like this better than ones forcing eg a captcha for each
> > edit, which is annoying, and still leaves RecentChanges filled up with
> > spam account creations.
> >
> > An email notification is sent (configurable, probably to whoever gets
> > webmaster@cc these days) when an account is requested.
> >
> > Any admin can review and approve pending new accounts at
> > Special:ConfirmAccounts. Even if nobody reads the email notifications,
> > trusted people not working directly for CC can monitor ... there are
> > some inactive people in
> >
> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&us
> > ername=&group=sysop&limit=50 but historically anyone trusted (eg an
> > affiliate or with a long history in other wikis) and wanting to help
> > was made an admin.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:14 AM, BjornW <burobjorn AT gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> If I understand correctly there is no one at the moment from HQ who
> >> has time to pick these chores up? That's a shame, cause these
> >> spamlinks can't be good for CC.org pagerank. What can we do to
> >> install the tool mentioned by Mike? Btw in my own experience asking
> >> for confirmation will drastically reduce the amount of spam...
> >>
> >> grtz
> >> BjornW
> >>
> >> On 11-11-13 19:18, Maarten Zeinstra wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> That can only work when HQ wants to/can allocate resources to check
> >>> this, but otherwise I would agree that that would be the best option.
> >>>
> >>> Or do away with the Wiki altogether and use a different platform
> >>> communicate to our audiences. I only see 20 useful edits per
> >>> day:
> >>>
> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/index.php?namespace=0&title=Special%
> >>> 3ARecentChanges en about 50 accounts created on that same day.
> >>>
> >>> It really depends on what the underlying idea is of using a wiki.
> >>> That's the true issue that HQ needs to discuss, either internally of
> >>> with the community.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2013/11/11 Mike Linksvayer <ml AT gondwanaland.com
> >>> <mailto:ml AT gondwanaland.com>>
> >>>
> >>>     I somewhat sadly recommend installing
> >>>     https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
> >>>
> >>>     Mike
> >>>
> >>>     On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Maarten Zeinstra <mz AT kl.nl
> >>>     <mailto:mz AT kl.nl>> wrote:
> >>>     > I had a long discussion about the spam on the wiki about with
> >>>     Nathan Kinkade about a year ago. There are several methods in
> >>>     place to try and stop spammers. The ones that get through are
> >>>     either placed by humans or using accounts that are created by
> >>>     humans. It takes human effort to block them as it is, something
> >>>     that CC-HQ had no personnel for at the time.
> >>>     >
> >>>     > I tried to help a bit, but it was tedious and not very useful. I
> >>>     did remove all the nudity I could find in the mediastore of wiki
> >>>     last year though. That is a task with things that cannot be unseen..
> >>>     >
> >>>     > Best,
> >>>     >
> >>>     > Maarten
> >>>     >
> >>>     > --
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> >>>     >
> >>>     >
> >>>     >
> >>>     >
> >>>     > On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:36 , BjornW <burobjorn AT gmail.com
> >>>     <mailto:burobjorn AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>     >
> >>>     >> Hi,
> >>>     >>
> >>>     >> I just noticed some spam links on the CC wiki. See
> >>>     >> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Web_Services in the paragraph
> >>>     >> 'Documentation' there are words like 'sepatu' linking to an url
> >>>     I won't
> >>>     >> repeat here.
> >>>     >>
> >>>     >> Not sure if this is the only page, but perhaps someone of CC HQ
> >>>     could
> >>>     >> run some sort of spam link checker over the wiki?
> >>>     >>
> >>>     >> grtz
> >>>     >> BjornW
> >>>     >> --
> >>>     >>
> >>>     >> met vriendelijke groet,
> >>>     >> Bjorn Wijers
> >>>     >>
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> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> met vriendelijke groet,
> >> Bjorn Wijers
> >>
> >> * b u r o b j o r n .nl *
> >> digitaal vakmanschap | digital craftsmanship
> >>
> >> Werkdagen:
> >> Van maandag t/m donderdag vanaf 10:00 Vrijdag is voor experimenteren
> >> en eigen projecten.
> >>
> >> Postbus 14145
> >> 3508 SE Utrecht
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> >> tel: +31 6 49 74 78 70
> >> http://www.burobjorn.nl
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