Developer discussion for Creative Commons technology and tools

[Dan Mills <dan AT creativecommons.org>]

Hey all,

Obviously, we got off on the wrong foot. I didn't realize there was an active community, but it's fantastic that there is!  So, I propose:

* Let's get together on some real-time medium so we can get to know each other and hear where everyone is coming from. G+ Hangout? Or at least, IRC (I'm dmills on #cc)

* I've been working in Google Docs, which unfortunately is default-private. I will start to put thoughts on the wiki, beginning with how I'm structuring and prioritizing the tasks ahead.

I agree with you that we need to invest in CC's technical infrastructure, though I also think we have some hard choices to make if we want to be more successful. I'm eager to hear what you all think.

Dan

On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 3:45 AM, BjornW wrote:

+1

My experience as an external volunteer developer is the same as Maarten.

This actually made me more or less stop contributing to CC.

I'd also like to see a more future-proof solution where some thought has

been given to prevent the mistakes from the past, instead of quick 'fixes'.

grtz

BjornW

On 04-03-13 12:08, Maarten Zeinstra wrote:

Hi Dan,

There is no documentation for a start. It is a very value adding

feature of the deed page but without documentation is probably

sparsely used and hard to convince third parties to use RDFa to enrich

their rights statements.

But frankly and if you read closely this entire thread is not about

the metadata scraper. It is about the lack of transparency, direction

and general documentation, as well as leadership in the technical

infrastructure of CC.

The entire community basically consist of recent departures from the

CC tech team and me. In recent years I've tried on multiple occasions

to contribute on the codebase/ infrastructure of CC but I always run

up to a barrier of having no central team that can support efforts to

such an extent that is adds value.

With this thread I don't want to hear quick fixes or answers to my

direct questions. I want to receive some confirmation (in

policy/roadmaps/support) that cc-technologies is not at a dead end.

Best,

Maarten

On Feb 28, 2013, at 19:46 , Dan Mills <dan AT creativecommons.org

<mailto:dan AT creativecommons.org>> wrote:

Hi Maarten,

I actually thought I'd sent a mail to this list, but indeed,

apparently I did not! So, let me fix that right away :)

Hello. I'm Dan Mills, the new Director of Product Strategy at

Creative Commons. In short, I'm a technical product guy with roots in

open source and the Web. You can read a little more about me here:

http://creativecommons.org/staff#danmills

More specifically on roadmap--I have been reviewing the existing

infrastructure and identifying the most urgent fixes we need to do,

while at the same time thinking about what the forward direction will

be and what kind of team we will need.

What are the burning issues with the scraper form your POV?

Dan

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Maarten Zeinstra wrote:

Oh come on!

That simply is not good enough.

We CC-affiliates / open activists need to be able to do our work. I

raised this question because I do work for Europeana, The European

version of the DPLA, but 5 years ahead. they were instrumental and

the first adopter of the Public Domain Mark. Europeana works with

2600+ cultural institutions and has about 5 million works PD/CC0

marked. Now when one of those institutions mails me and asked me why

there is no extra metadata on PDM pages coming of Europeana, I need

to be able to say that there is possibly a script blocker on the

client side and that Europeana and CreativeCommons.org

<http://creativecommons.org/> are functioning properly, see this

page for more information (no page or documentation to be found...).

When I cannot do that I cannot do my job. When I cannot do my job I

cannot convince these institutions of the merit of CC licensing or

PD marking. When I cannot do that they will be less likely to use

the tools. That is bad for our global access to culture. (I use

myself as an example, this could happen to anyone who wants to

promote CC).

We all want more open content and correct rights labelling right? I

need to be able to rely on that infrastructure of CC.org

<http://cc.org/> to be able to do my job in this.

It is completely absurd that you cannot get your act together and

provide us with a decent technological infrastructure and support to

help convince the world that a) open content is a good way to go and

b) rights labelling is important and c) (most importantly) we have

their backs in that.

Also, where is Dan Mills in all of this? He's been on the job for

like two months now right? Why is it that he hasn't even introduced

himself on this list yet? I hope he consider the licenses and their

backing technology as part of the product of CC..

I think it is unbelievable that you can laconically state that you

wish you had better answers…

On Feb 27, 2013, at 18:15 , Greg Grossmeier <greg AT grossmeier.net

<mailto:greg AT grossmeier.net>> wrote:

<quote name="Maarten Zeinstra" date="2013-02-27" time="12:18:05 +0100">

I was wondering if there is a roadmap for the development of the

metadata scraper of the deed pages.

This is on a roadmap of some sorts; I can't remember the specific

timeline right now.

As of now it only support RDFa, maybe we want to add other formats as

well?

That is the idea, indeed.

Also I could find very little documentation about the workings of the

scraper directed at non-developers. Where can I point to when no

scraped information shows up because of a script blocker?

Nothing at this time :/

Wish I had better answers,

Greg

PS: As of Feb 19th, I now work for the Wikimedia Foundation, so my time

on these type of issues will be radically lower now.

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-February/066672.html

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