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  • From: Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>
  • To: "Nir cohen - Prof. Mat." <nir AT ccet.ufrn.br>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] minni
  • Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 06:28:58 +0100

You ask, Nir, whether there are some other connections between the three
main poetical Books.
I know of other two that apply to poetical Books and also in some other
cases:

1. Suffix -YN (for -YM) for the plural masculine: compare [H]RCYN in 2Ki
11:13 with RCYM in 2S 15:1

2. The use of final -MW for the usual -HEM for the third person plural
masculine: compare LMW (Hb 2:7 or Ps 44:4) with LHM (Rt 1:6), *to them
(males)* (I omit the vowels).

Of course this does not apply to each and every verse but these are, so to
say, other special features of poetical Books. Remark also that in poetical
books the common forms (for instance the plural -YM) are used as well.

Regards

Pere Porta

2012/1/3 Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. <nir AT ccet.ufrn.br>

> pere, steve,
>
> > Mini usually is a preposition meaning “away from”, but that doesn’t seem
> to
> > work since a verb follows.
>
> actually in Ps 45:9 (8)
>
> MINNI HEKhALEY ShEN, MINNI SIMKhUKhA
>
> the word MINNI is just a poetic repetition of the initial word MIN, added
> to
> maintain the couplet meter. hence still as a preposition it refers to the
> halls of ivory and not to the verb. so, the sense of "away from" is still
> appropriate.
>
> biblos (strong 4480) provides more than 30 cases of minni, none in any
> other
> book (one in Jer which has a different meaning).
>
> JOB: 12:22 14:11 15:22,30 16:6,16 18:17 20:4 28:4 30:30 31:7 33:18,23,30
> Ps 44:11,19 45:9 68:31 74:22 78:2,42 88:9
> Isa 22:4 30:1 38:12 46:3
>
> the meaning varies between from, away from, more than, because, by. i find
> the
> best translations:
>
> away from..., from within..., due to..., among... since...
>
> its restriction to three biblical books is interesting. are there other
> lexical connections between the three? also i noted that the
> use is very idiomatic and follows the pattern A-B-minni-C in most examples,
> so that minni is the penultimate word in the versicle. and it is only used
> poetically, never in prose. thus, it should be considered an element of
> style
> and not of spoken grammar.
>
> the specific meaning "from me" is restricted to 3 cases in Isaiah
> and one in job.
>
> ed lipinski 2001 mentions arabic min/mini and makes a connection with
> assyrian minitu=measure and aramaic/hebrew mny=count (???). these seem
> connected to hebrew manah, minyan but connection with minni is unclear to
> me.
>
> he adds that the use min="by" was introduced to semitic only AD.
> strangely, in
> the biblos list Job 28:4 was translated as "by". see also Ps 74:22.
>
> nir cohen
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Pere Porta




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