Biblical Hebrew Forum

[George Athas <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au>]

Yet, the shewa must be vocal to distinguish the two nuns.


GEORGE ATHAS
Director of Postgraduate Studies,
Moore Theological College (moore.edu.au)
Sydney, Australia



From: Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com<mailto:pporta7 AT gmail.com>>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:14:00 +0200
To: Stephen Salisbury 
<wtsssalisbury AT yahoo.com<mailto:wtsssalisbury AT yahoo.com>>
Cc: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Is the first syllable of <HIN:NIY> open or closed?

Stephen,

I think that the loss of the dagesh forte does not imply the change of the
nature of the previous syllable.
Thus, if in HIN.NIY (1Sa 3:5) HIN is closed, the same applies to HIN."NI
(1Sa 3:4 or Gn 22:1)...

And so:
1Sa 3:4...........  HIN."NIY = HIN + N" + NIY
1Sa 3:5 ............  HIN:NIY = HIN + NIY

Both syllables HIN are closed. This is what I think.

Remark that these words are but variants of the same thing: that with tsere
is used for pause and that without tsere is used for dynamic (= non-pause).

Friendly,

Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)



2011/10/27 Stephen Salisbury 
<wtsssalisbury AT yahoo.com<mailto:wtsssalisbury AT yahoo.com>>

Fellow B-Hebrewers -

C. L. Seow's grammar says on page 100 that <HIN:NIY> is derived from
<HIN.:NIY> (which does occur in Gen. 22:1 & 22:11 and another dozen and
something times) by loss of the Dagesh Forte (which, according to Seow, is
common in the consonants <W>, <Y>, <L>, <M>, <N>, <Q>, <S>, <C>, <&>, and
<$> with a Dagesh Forte in them and a Shewa underneath.)


My question is this: After the loss of that Dagesh Forte is that Shewa
silent (closed first syllable) or vocal (open syllable)?


In discussing the loss of the strong Dagesh (p. 59), Seow gives the
examples <HAY:)OR>  where I assume the first syllable is closed, and
<HA/M:RAG.:LIYM> where I likewise assume the first syllable is closed.  But
are they?  Or are they anomalies similar to the plural <B.ATOWT>, which has
an open first syllable despite the short vowel Patah?


The same question applies to <*HAL.:LW.-YFH.> becoming <HAL:LW.-YFH.> in
the Masoretic Text.


Best Wishes,
Stephen K. Salisbury
Research Fellow
The J. Alan Groves Center for Advanced Biblical Research
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