Biblical Hebrew Forum

[David Kolinsky <yishalom AT sbcglobal.net>]

Nir,

How I wish you would have written everything out in Hebrew (should/could I 
say Aramaic script) and given references, but here goes:

NPL comes from PLL which in turn comes from PWL = bean (possibly edge) as in 
when in is split in half (yes I know Karl conjecture all the way, even I am 
not sure)

Nevertheless, the words that come from PWL seem to mean 
"to make an edge / side or to go from side to side"
PLCh =  to slice
PLG = to divide
PLH / PL) = to make a distinction / distinquish / be distinquished / 
exceptional / wonderous / miraculous etc
PLSh = to wallow
PLTs = tremble / create trembling / be terrible
PLT^ (Tet) = serpentine >> escape / deliver (from womb)
PLL = consider between alternatives / adjudicate
NPL = to stumble > fall
NPLYM = giants (those that waver back and forth)
PYL = elephant (those that waver back and forth) 

As for the issue of Ismael, the Pashat clearly is "upon/about the faces of 
all of his brethren, he falls."  On the Pashat level, I am not really sure 
what is being implied here.  I have written a metaphorical translation of 
Torah and on that level the (metaphorical) translation works perfectly.  But 
I have never shared any of those interpretations before primarily because I 
would rather be considered another Isaac than another Jim on this list.  
Suffice it to say that the phrase works perfectly / makes perfect sense in 
the metaphor.


David Kolinsky
Monterey, CA


--- On Wed, 9/21/11, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. <nir AT ccet.ufrn.br> wrote:

From: Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. <nir AT ccet.ufrn.br>
Subject: [b-hebrew] NPL: a biblical pitfall and on the rise!
To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 4:44 PM

jim, 

i, too, am amazed at your originality of argument.

1. (L-PNY (over, upon) cannot be confused with L-PNY (before, in front).

2. the only reasonable context in which NPL is used as "die", then and today,
unfortunately, is in the battle field, or in an act of violence. or if not, 
i dare you to find a counter-example.

i recall the recent argument about the famous year 13, in which the "local
kings" fled from the attack and got stuck in the mud holes of the dead 
sea. there, too, the verb is NPLW (and, this was in the battle field!), yet
miraculously shortly after that they were having a party with abraham. 

there, too, NPLW is not die.

3. the only reasonable translation here is, in my opinion: yishma´el 
became dominant/prominent/senior (perhaps even aggressive) over all his 
brothers. 

4. grammatically the event "die" would call for WYPL (wayiqtol), 
whereas the progressive "became dominant" indeed justifies qatal: NPL.

5. true, NPL "seems" to come from "go down", "stoop down", "fall" etc; 
but surely this is a MODERN perspective. in fact, an ancient verb 
meaning UP came to mean DOWN, simply because... whatever goes up always 
falls down, eventually. let us look at the evidence:

*** HPYL is used as "hurled", which may have been synonymous,originally, to
"throw upwards". 

*** NPYL is used as "giant", i.e. huge. 

*** so is TPYLH, a prayer directed, supposedly, upwards. 

*** even "PL)" may come from something larger than life ( WYPL) MMNW
(grew bwyond him) etc etc). and NPL) is used as synonymous of the 
english "great"!

*** PYL=elephant is also UP! 

*** speculation: PWL may refer to a plant which grows fast upwards, as in
jack-and-the-beans.

*** PLH = pick UP (said on a monkey PWLL(!!!)ing fleas from a colleague's 
skin).

(david, isaac, food for thought?)

(i wonder if there is any relation with PULL, PILLAR, PALLACE, 
BALLENA=whale etc)

(then we have the semitic BL/PL in the godly name BL, B(L, and 
names of many kings, but i am drifting apart...)

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i agree that both uses, UP and DOWN, for NPL are found in the OT, as in
WYPL (L PNIW etc. but here the UP reading is so much more natural 
than the DOWN reading, and is backed up by grammar.

conclusion: NPL (L-PNY in this phrase has the same root as NPYL=(big, high)
and has nothing to do with either death or anteriority. otherwise, the text
would have simply said WYMT LPNY..., as it does in so many other biblical 
deaths.

nir cohen

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