Biblical Hebrew Forum

[fred burlingame <tensorpath AT gmail.com>]

Hello Isaac;

Thanks for your help.

I am seeing a nice connection among hebrew verbs, based on your thorough
explanation of their roots.

I very much look forward to hearing the results of your torah language
experiment.

I hope that you will also ask both mileva and herr doktor the following
question. Who really designed and solved the differential equation; the one
that accounts entirely the precession in the orbit of planet mercury? For if
she did ...... ; both you and albert may well find her elevated above where
you expect. For she surrendered all in that instance, to advance Albert's
career.

And the letter פ pey is a "cousin" of ב bet with similar root meaning? And
the letter ר resh means many?

It would be nice if you could generate and post an informal list of your
single, letter root meanings, like this one. Then I could compare the two.

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/28_chart.html

regards,

fred burlingame





On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:

>  0. I will report it as soon as as it is done.
> 1. I am not a big fan of Mrs. Einstein, but I love Herr Doktor.
> 2. BARA, like PARA, is 'to disperse', it consists of BA-RA, 'be-many'. When
> I meet Mrs. Einstein in heaven (I assume we will be both placed on the same
> side of the "deictic center" of the Mighty One) I will try to explain this
> to her, but I know from experience that Balkan women are hard headed.
> 3. I am glad you agree that thickness implies being, and hope you also
> agree that being implies thickness.
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
>  On Feb 1, 2011, at 12:30 AM, fred burlingame wrote:
>
>  Hello Isaac:
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> Please allow me to respond in reverse order.
>
> 1. I am very interested in your planned experiment. I wait with great
> anticipation to hear the results of whether the secular,
> fluent, hebrew speaker in 2011 can understand, at all, hebrew language of
> torah read or spoken to him.
>
> 2. Perhaps mrs. einstein was the smarter of the two. Didn't she have to
> abandon her mathematics and take another job to support his thinking?
> Perhaps mrs. einstein would opine that "ba-ra" simply means "to fill." ...
> :)
>
> 3. Thickness implies being? I agree.
>
> regards,
>
> fred burlingame
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
>
>> 1. I consider root ZB, ZV as composed of the two single consonant roots
>> Z+B, namely, זע+בא or עז+עב or יצא+עבה or צאה+בעה. With a B, it is for the
>> coming out of bodily fluids ,and with a V, it is for the coming out of
>> light.
>> 2. The English "to come" is somewhat misleading. BA is 'to be', and to be
>> means to have עובי. How can you otherwise 'be'? ANI BA-BAYIT means I am
>> home.
>> 3. The question is what is "understand". Even Einstein did not understand
>> what is really meant by בראשית ברא אלוהים את השמים ואת הארץ
>> I don't see any inherent difference between the language of the Torah and
>> the language spoken today, except for this funny  VA-YI-GA$
>> (come-he-approach, presently-he-approach) form, which is now outmoded. I
>> will try to find someone young speaking good Hebrew, but ignorant of the
>> torah (in the diaspora it is easy as may children of Israeli parents speak
>> good Hebrew but have gone to English school and have never opened the 
>> Hebrew
>> bible) and read to him some passages and see if he gets it.
>>
>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>>
>>  On Jan 31, 2011, at 7:30 PM, fred burlingame wrote:
>>
>>  Hello Isaac:
>>
>> Sorry about the mischaracterization of your granddaugther.
>>
>> If I understand you correctly, zee-vah זיוה the popular name; and zeev-ah
>> זיבה the illness, have a common etymology. And that commonality includes 
>> the
>> identity of letters "vav" ו and "bet" ב ; and the single root meaning: "to
>> come."
>>
>> The verb עבה "a-va" as thick, and as expressed in noun form 1 kings 7:26,
>> I suppose I can see as emanating from the root letter "bet," ב "to come."
>>
>> Your comment in your paragraph 2 is most interesting. I thought that a
>> person raised and trained in the hebrew language spoken in israel today,
>> cannot, absent special additional training, understand a reading of the
>> torah? Am I incorrect in this conclusion?
>>
>> In other words, the average college educated person in america, who never
>> read the english language bible, can nonetheless understand the
>> english language of the bible being read to him the first time at say age
>> 21.
>>
>> Is that true for the average college educated person in israel who has
>> never read the torah? Can she understand the torah being read to her for 
>> the
>> first time at say age 21? ... Or does such a person exist?
>>
>> Thanks for your comments.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> fred burlingame
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> 0. She is not my "relative", she is my granddaughter, and she is not
>>> "very young", she is 5 years old.
>>> 1. Yes. ABAH and AWAH mean that something came, BA, materialized עבה (or
>>> עוה), and settled in our consciousness, driving us to yield to it's, often
>>> vehement, insistence. So, BA LI is a clear and succinct ANI MIT-ABAH
>>> (namely, מתאוה or מתעבה) LE-.
>>> 2. there is no such thing as "modern" Hebrew.
>>> 3. I return to my previous example. You may call (by voice) your daughter
>>> ZIYBAH, but you must write it ZIYVAH (the registrar may refuse to register
>>> ZIYBAH in order to protect the dignity and reputation of the child). We 
>>> are
>>> calling her ZIYBAH (which is the same as ZIYVAH), but we know that it is
>>> written with a vav. Seeing the word and hearing the word are
>>> interconnected.
>>> 4. All you have to do to study Hebrew etymology is to put your mind to
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>>>
>>>  (Isaac Fried, Boston University
>>>
>>>
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