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Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of "
- From: dwashbur AT nyx.net
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of "
- Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:52:44 -0700
On 23 Apr 2009 at 17:23, George Athas wrote:
> Rolf,
>
> I wonder whether you are accepting an assumption about Hebrew without
> subjecting it to scrutiny. Please correct me if I'm wrong in how I'm
> reading you:
>
> You ask whether WAYYIQTOL represents past tense. However, in asking this,
> are you importing the standard convention of Indo-European languages, which
> tell stories in past tense? That is, how do you know that Hebrew tells
> stories with a basic past reference? How do you know that Hebrew doesn't
> tell stories in present tense, such that WAYYIQTOL is effectively a present
> tense?
>
> Feel free either to answer, question, or go to town on me.
And even that is changing in some cases. One of my favorite mystery authors,
Patricia
Cornwell, has written her last several novels in present tense. In the case
of Hebrew
narrative, since the writer was telling something that happened before he
wrote it, I suspect
it would have been assumed that the story was "past tense," but that's a
pragmatic
consideration that wasn't encoded in the verb forms at all.
I see the wayyiqtol as the simple declarative sentence. "He did x. He did
y. He did z." I
don't see sequence encoded in it; rather, any sequence that is there comes
naturally by the
nature of the events described, and if sequence doesn't come naturally by the
nature of the
events described, it's not there. This has the advantage of unifying just
about all of the
phenomena we see and providing an explanatory account of them.
Of course, that's just my unbiased opinion ;-)
Dave Washburn
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Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect, was "The use ..."
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect, was "The use ...", George Athas, 04/22/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ",
Rolf Furuli, 04/22/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ",
Stoney Breyer, 04/22/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ",
Rolf Furuli, 04/22/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Isaac Fried, 04/22/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Jason Hare, 04/22/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Isaac Fried, 04/23/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Jason Hare, 04/23/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Isaac Fried, 04/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ",
Rolf Furuli, 04/22/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ",
Stoney Breyer, 04/22/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", George Athas, 04/23/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", dwashbur, 04/23/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", George Athas, 04/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Rolf Furuli, 04/23/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", George Athas, 04/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21,
Yitzhak Sapir, 04/22/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21,
K Randolph, 04/22/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21,
Yitzhak Sapir, 04/23/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, Isaac Fried, 04/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21,
K Randolph, 04/23/2009
- [b-hebrew] Complexity and Dating of Hebrew Texts, George Athas, 04/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21,
Yitzhak Sapir, 04/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21,
K Randolph, 04/22/2009
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