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- From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
- To: Vadim Cherny <him AT vadimcherny.org>
- Cc: B-Hebrew Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] HITPAEL as mutual action
- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:20:25 -0400
It appears to me so too, that HITPAEL is reserved for an act done by an actor upon himself, but then there is the example of TIT-RA)-U of Genesis 42:1, brought by Jason, and also WA-YI-TRA)-U PANIM, 'faced each other, looked one another in the face', of 2 Kings 14:11. Is, in light of this supposed nature of HITPAEL, the literal translation of WA-YI-TRA)-U, 'each showed his own face (to the other)'? Is there a case in the Hebrew bible where HITPAEL, in the singular, can be construed as a mutual (HADADI) action? Is HIT-XATEN such an example?
As I said, spoken Hebrew has HIT-XABEK, 'he was engaged in hugging someone who hugged him back', which is by now fully entrenched and even condoned.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
On Mar 31, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Vadim Cherny wrote:
IMO, all instances of hitpael in Hebrew are reflexive: doing something to someone or, more specifically, to cause someone to cause something. That is the only plausible interpretation of the suffix ht = hh, two casuatives (double hiphil, so to say).
That sense of reflective action is obfuscated in translation because equivalent English words lack the sense of reflexion, but I venture that careful examination shows such sense for every hitpael.
Vadim Cherny
Isaac Fried wrote:
In present day Hebrew the BINYAN of HITPAEL is often used for mutual action, for example, HIT-XABQ-U, 'they embraced, XBQ, each other'. Is there an instance of similar usage in the Hebrew bible?
Isaac Fried, Boston University
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[b-hebrew] HITPAEL as mutual action,
Isaac Fried, 03/31/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] HITPAEL as mutual action,
Vadim Cherny, 03/31/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] HITPAEL as mutual action, Isaac Fried, 03/31/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] HITPAEL as mutual action,
Vadim Cherny, 03/31/2009
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[b-hebrew] HITPAEL as mutual action,
Isaac Fried, 03/31/2009
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