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[Laurent Pinchard <ougaritique AT yahoo.fr>]

thanks Isaac for that. Indeed the double letter in your examples induces 
strange coloration with hataf patah which also appears strangely in your 
examples with teth, resh. Do you then confirm that the lamed in my example 
should never bear a hatuf patah as it is a preposition that can as such only 
bear shewa, hireq or patah?


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De : Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
À : Laurent Pinchard <ougaritique AT yahoo.fr>
Cc : b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Envoyé le : Mardi, 3 Mars 2009, 23h19mn 16s
Objet : Re: Re : hatuf patah under the lamed (LHBDYL) in Gen 1,18 and Lev 
10,10


laurent,

What I mean by anything can be explained one way or another is that some 
people may construe an explanation to this unusual punctuation. See for 
instance the reply of Yitzhak Sapir.  
Few more words on the XATAP PATAX. I see that some books (Biblia Hebraica 
Stuttgartensia) in case of a double letter will now and then follow the 
punctuation: צָלֲלוּ Ex 15:10, וְגָלֲלוּ Gen 29:3,8, due to a punctuator 
possibly thinking that it would be good to separate the double letter by a 
vowel to avoid the reading CALU, GALU. But we also find קִלְלַת Deut 21:23, 
חַלְלֵי Sam I 17:52, בְּעַנְנִי Gen 9:14. My school Hebrew bible has these 
words always with a schwa.
Sometimes the purpose of this punctuation is obscure: אֵרֲדָה Gen 18:21, 
תֹּאכֲלֶנּוּ Num 18:10, הוּטֲלוּ Jer 22:28. My school Hebrew bible has these 
words always with a schwa.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Laurent Pinchard wrote:

Isaac, thanks very much for your answer. This is indeed what I thought, both 
editions I have mention hatuf patah but a third one that I have 
(Vigouroux)mentions shewa which reflects your version as well.

If you say "anything can be explained one way or another.", what rationale 
would you give to hatuf patah, then ? to me this is definitely an error and 
no support can be given for a lamed with hatuf patah. Would you be able to 
explain such a deviant though?

laurent



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À : Laurent Pinchard <ougaritique AT yahoo.fr>
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Envoyé le : Lundi, 2 Mars 2009, 13h24mn 57s
Objet : Re: hatuf patah under the lamed (LHBDYL) in Gen 1,18 and Lev 10,10


Laurent,

It is possibly a mistake or a deviant. My Hebrew bible from school has a 
schwa under the L in both Genesis and Leviticus, and it is so also in the 
on-line bible of mechon-mamre at http://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/t/t0.htm
Of course anything can be explained one way or another.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Laurent Pinchard wrote:

dear Isaac,

would you know why in Gen 1,18 we have a hatuf patah under the lamed 
(LHBDYL), which I don't understand: this semi vowel never appears under lamed 
as a preposition. Note that I have this from the BHS edition. Interestingly 
Leviticus 10,10 also mentions the same lamed with hatuf patah on the same 
word. Elsewhere any word starting with W(shuruk)LH-- would have as 
anticipated a patah or a shewa. Is this hatuf patah under the lamed a 
mistake? if not what is the rationale ?

laurent



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> As to heth vs. aleph in initial position, some versions of�
> the�Samaritan Pentateuch�have )BRN for ?Hebron?,


Which version? MS?�

Samaritan Pentateuch,�MS 3 (Shechem synagogue) -- Genesis 13:18

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David Hamuel
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