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["Doug Belot" <dbelot AT bigpond.net.au>]

Hi , I think your the guys I got onto looking at an Is 62:5  'your sons will  
marry you" comment , am I on the right page , doug
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Stress periods in Biblical Hebrew
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David,

1. What does ? mean (for instance in y?qat'tel)?
2. Why not to ask to Dr. Blau himself?  He is a member of the Academy of the
Hebrew Language (Jerusalem): maybe he would give an answer to your
question... Try this mail: acad AT vms.huji.ac.il
3. I'd say that in a general way the jussives and the W-xx forms tend to
stress the syllable that is before the otherwise usually stressed syllable.
As a sample, of verb YFDA(
--normal form: Y"DA( (Psa 39:7) --- oxytone
--jussive form: Y"DA(  (1Sa 20:3) --- paroxytone
--W-form: WAY."DA(  (1Sa 1:19) --- paroxytone

Maybe this helps.
Best regards.

Pere Porta
Barcelona (Catalonia, Spain)



> As many of you will know, one of the best Hebraist cum Arabists of the
> second half of the 20th century was Joshua Blau.
> In Torat Hahege Vehatzurot  (1972) and A Grammar of Biblical Hebrew ,
> Porta Linguarum Orientalium 1976 (and presumably the upcoming
> /Biblical// Hebrew Phonology and Morphology/, Eisenbrauns, ISBN
> 1575061295) Dr. Blau outlined a series of pre-Tiberian stress periods.
> However, he did not state how these stress periods related to the
> historical-cultural periods of ancient Judah. I would be grateful if any
> scholar could respond to the following
>
> -   Would I be correct in understanding that the third Proto-Hebrew (> 
> pre-Tiberian) stress period corresponds to the situation of formal
> literary Jerusalem Hebrew of say 750-600 B.C.E. while the changes of the
> fourth Proto-Hebrew stress period might have commenced in the spoken
> Hebrew of that period?*
>
> *  -  In A Grammar of Biblical Hebrew (1st. ed.) sect. 9.1.3 Blau wrote
> " At that period, there were still the contrasting forms of the
> indicative yo:'_k_al (ultimate stress) < yo-:'_k_alu, and the jussive
> 'yo-_k_al (penultimate stress)." Would I be correct in understanding
> that Blau's view is that this distinction was maintained in the strong
> verb of the third stress period? i.e.
>
> Qal - Indicative - yiq'tol; Jussive - 'yiqtol; Preterite - way'yiqtol
>
> Piel - Indicative - yaqat'til or y?qat'tel; Jussive - ya'qattil or
> y?'qattel; Preterite - wayya'qattil or wayy?'qattel
>
> Niphal - Indicative - yiqqa'til or yiqqa'tel; Jussive - yiq'qatil or
> yiq'qatel; Preterite - wayyiq'qatil or wayyiq'qatel
>
> Hiphil - Indicative - yaq'ti:l; Jussive - 'yaqtil or 'yaqtel; Preterite
> - way'yaqtil or way'yaqtel
>
> Hithpiel - Indicative - yitqat'til or yitqat'tel; Jussive - yit'qattil
> or yit'qattel; Preterite - wayyit'qattil or wayyit'qattel
>
>
>
> David Steinberg
>
> Ottawa, Canada
>
> http://www.houseofdavid.ca/
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> David.Steinberg AT houseofdavid.ca <mailto:David.Steinberg AT houseofdavid.ca>
>
>
>
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