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- From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dove's dung
- Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:56:20 -0400
It seems to me that DIBYONIM is from the root DB, which is but a variant of the root ZB, 'ooze, drip', eventually 'pile up'.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
On Sep 5, 2008, at 2:32 PM, David Kolinsky wrote:
The root for the word, (dibyown), is D.B.H which is analogous to DB in Arabic meaning to crawl, creep, move slowly, go on all fours, fill, pervade, invade, stream in, rush in; bear, sand hill, tiny animal, insect. Considering that the Ktiv is Chiryon which is related to the word Ch.R./A (/A = aleph) which means excrement, the connection to excrement is on solid ground. Therefore, I suggest that both words most likely mean "Scarab or Dung Beetle" which in times of famine would most definately be eaten and nutritious.
D kolinsky
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1. What is that to be eaten 2 Kings 6:25? (tladatsi AT charter.net)
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Subject: [b-hebrew] What is that to be eaten 2 Kings 6:25?
To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org, Karl Randolf <kwrandolph AT email.com>
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Karl & al.,
The word in question (dibyown) is of course a hapax legomenon which does not
seem to be derived from any obvious Hebrew roots. The "doves dung" is
the ketib. The LXX translates this as dove's dung (kabou koprou
peristerwn). However even if we take the ketib and LXX at face value, that does
not mean people were actually eating doves dung. In Mexico and the US
Southwest there is a popular confection called "churros", a long
narrow lump of fried dough sprinkled with sugar and cinnamon. It is possible to
translate "churros" as dung although there are more graphic and
accurate words available in English language. The name is merely reflective of
the general appearance of the food, particularly when it made by hand, and
perhaps the fact it an inexpensive food popular with the poorer strata of
society. Perhaps "doves dung" is something similar.
Jack Tladatsi
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