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[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

   As to the relationship between the two homonyms   LO   (lamed aleph -
   "NO"),  and  LO  (lamed waw -- "TO HIM"),  here again it pays to consult
   Arabic , because,  like in so many other cases, it preserves earlier stages
   of the language. The spelling of  "NO" in Ar.-- "LA,"  is the  equivalent 
of the
   Heb.lamed aleph, while the spelling of  "TO HIM"  is --LaHW   pronounced 
  "Lahu". Obviously the "H" was dropped by the time of the consonsntal text
   of the HB.
   
   
     Interestingly the same occurs in some spoken Arabic dialects.
   
    Uri Hurwitz
   
       
   
            Yigal Levin wrote:

   I tend to agree - the aleph is there because it was

 meant to be pronounced as a gluttal stop (not as a

 "silent letter"). From both the Bible and especially

 inscriptions, it would seem that the mater lectionis

 that was used for the final "O" (once these entered

 Hebrew orthography) was actually he (as preserved 

in names such as "Shiloh" and "Shelomoh"). Also,

 what's the relationship between l) (lamed aleph) 

and l)w (lamed aleph waw)? Is the former an

 abbreviation of the latter? Or was l) spelt with 

an aleph to distinguish it from its homonym lw 

(lamed waw) - "for/to him"? 

   

       
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Peter,



Don’t forget that “gemination” is the specialty of people with extra 
time 
upon their hands to emphatically flair their throat, flail their tongue and 
flutter their lips.



Isaac Fried, Boston University

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From: "Petr Tomasek" <tomasek AT etf.cuni.cz>
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] final alef


> On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 10:48:07AM -0700, Uri Hurwitz wrote:
>>   Well, it depends how far back one wishes to go in  time when the 
>> consonantal spelling started. The assumption that those who put down an 
>> Aleph  indicated something they heard is defintely tenable.
>>
>>     Let's take as an example the Heb.  'he' or 'she', "Hu)" "Hy)", in 
>> both cases the Alephs are silent. Now,  the Arabic  for these is"hua" and 
>> "hiya" , in both cases there is a final wovel; vestiges of this ancient 
>> pronounciation is represented in the biblical  Alephs.
>>
>>    It may be interesting  to note that in modern Heb. speech the Aleph in 
>> the negation "LO"
>>   is of course silent. However when this is used emphatically as "No!" 
>> the Aleph often becomes a gluttal stop, and can be heard as such, though 
>> native speakers are hardly aware of it. How about  this, Yigal?
>
> But isn't this possibly an influence of arabic? The written arabic
> has regularly forms like "badaʾtu", or even hamza at the end of a word...
>
> BTW, one will find more such irregularities in the modern hebrew,
> e.g. a geminated "f" (and not "p") in יפה ("jaffē").
>
>>   Uri Hurwitz                                        At present 
>> Wilmington, VT
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