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[b-hebrew] Dan 9:27b and shomem

From: Anthony Buzzard <anthonybuzzard AT mindspring.com>
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Subject: [b-hebrew] Dan 9:27b and shomem
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:15:16 -0400

Could anyone comment on the verb "shomem" in Dan. 9:27? Strictly the base form of the verb, shamem, is stative and we would expect to transate "the desolated one" (passive) rather than desolator. But in 12:11 we seem to have shomem in an active sense and also in 8:13. Can anyone decide what is the best rendering of shomem in Dan 9:27b? desolator, or the desolate (KVJ, ie desolated one).
At any event, shomem would have to refer to a person and not the city, which is feminine?
Anthony Buzzard
Atlanta Bible College

Anthony Buzzard
www.restorationfellowship.org

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Amir,

learning Ugaritic is really helpful if you have a generative knowledge of Hebrew, i.e. if you are aware of its pre-masoretic morphology. Without that, learning Ugaritic can be really frustrating because you always are itching for vowels, which are not there.

Using Ugaritic for hebrew studies is useful but deserves caution, because there is no direct link between them. Phoenician, though one of the worst known semitic languages at all, is more close and more important to Biblical, or Ancient Hebrew.

In my Ugaritic class at Mainz University, we use:
1. Josef Tropper, Ugaritisch. KurzgefassteGrammatik mit ?bungstexten und Glossar, Münster 2002 (ELO 1)
2. Josef Tropper, Ugaritische Grammatik, Münster 2000 (AOAT 273)

The short Tropper book is very useful because it is an extract from Tropper's main 2000 reference grammar of about thousand pages, which is a research grammar appropriate for advanced courses and for research. If ever there are any questions left open in the short textbook, it is easy to skip into the big one because almost the paragraphing is the same or at least similar.

Although Tropper's big grammar is not easy to use, it can be said that is the most up to date Ugaritic grammar you can get, and for most difficult passages you find an explanation or translation in it. The registers are exhausting!

A terrible big 'review' of the big Tropper grammar by Pardee you can download from
http://www.univie.ac.at/orientalistik/Afo.html#pardee

For reference, also do not miss mark Smith's wonderful bibliography:
https://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/bibs/BH-Ugaritic.html

Having the two Troppers, Pardee, and Smith together, you will miss nothing that is really important.

Reinhard G. Lehmann

Josef Tropper,

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Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:45:44 -0700
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Subject: [b-hebrew] Learning Ugaritic
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Greetings all,

First, since I'm fairly new to the list, a little bit of introduction.
I grew up a moderately religious Jew and while I studied the Tanakh
and Talmud in their Hebrew and Aramaic forms, respectively, I was
never really taught anything about the grammar of Biblical Hebrew or
Talmudic Aramaic. I did learn Modern Hebrew grammar, though it took a
semester and a half of Classical Arabic in college to make the Hebrew
grammar gel (thank you Arabic pronunciations of ayin, tet and qof).
My interest in semitic linguistics started when I spent a semester
simultaneously taking classes on Modern Hebrew Grammar, Classical
Arabic and some text study of both the Talmud and some Dead Sea
Scrolls material. This interest has been largely dormant for the last
dozen plus years but was recently rekindled by a debate with a friend
over Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation that led to binge-reading on
linguistics in general. I'm now looking at applying to school to
formally study linguistics with a focus on Semitic languages.

So, in the meantime, I'm taking a stab at Ugaritic. I just got my copy
of Segert's book and have been digging in. My Hebrew is pretty much
shot at this point (though more use of it will bring a lot back pretty
quickly) and what little Arabic and Aramaic I learned in school is
long gone now. I'm meeting later this week with a friend who's a
speech pathologist to walk through the phonology as described in the
book. I'm wondering what other resources people on the list might be
able to recommend. I've poked around on the net a bit and found an
online course at the Quartz Hill School of Theology
[http://www.theology.edu/ugraintr.htm] but it doesn't seem to add much
other than lists of words to memorize and some reading comprehension
tests. These both seem like good ideas and I'll use them but I'm
wondering what other books and resources people might recommend.

Thanks,
Amir Rosenblatt
Seattle, WA

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