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[kgraham0938 AT comcast.net]

In Biblical Hebrew, the normal word order is verb-subject.  So the 'she' 
contained in )mr refers to the subject, which is 'woman.'  So when you 
translate it to English you can properly translate it as "and the woman 
said..."

--
Kelton Graham 
KGRAHAM0938 AT comcast.net

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com> 

> What is the reason behind the text using this prefix? Why not just )MR ? 
> What the significance in saying "And she said, the woman, ....." instead 
> of just "And said the woman"? 
> 
> B"H 
> John 
> 
> "If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you 
> behave." 
> -Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen. 
> 
> 
> kgraham0938 AT comcast.net wrote: 
> 
> >Hey Brak, the 3 rd feminine singular prefix pronoun looks the same as the 
> >2nd 
> masculine singular prefix pronoun. So it is not "and you said the woman..." 
> it 
> is "and she said." The prefix is referring to the woman. 
> > 
> > 
> >So when you put it all together it is "and the woman said..." 
> > 
> >-- 
> >Kelton Graham 
> >KGRAHAM0938 AT comcast.net 
> > 
> >-------------- Original message -------------- 
> >From: Brak 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>From my understanding whenever a Taw is added to the beginning of a 
> >>verb it adds the word "you". 
> >>For example, in the Ten Commandments you have: 
> >>LO) T.IR:CFX which would translate "no you kill" 
> >> 
> >>Now my question involves the text in Adam and Eve story in Genesis. 
> >>In Gen 3:2 you have: 
> >>WA/T.O)MER HF/)I$.FH 
> >> 
> >>Now from my understanding it would be translated as "And you said the 
> >>woman" 
> >>Now that just seems weird to me. To have "And said the woman" would make 
> >>much more sense, but you don't have the word )FMAR you have T.O)MER 
> >> 
> >>So what is going on here? 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>-- 
> >> 
> >>B"H 
> >>John Steven 
> >> 
> >>"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you 
> >>behave." 
> >>-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen. 
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Taw added to Verbs
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Isaac,

John is obviously struggling with Hebrew grammar if he doesn't know
that the tav prefix is an agreement with the feminine singular third
person. Your analyses, as right as you claim they are and others who
support you, do nothing to help someone actually make the connection
between form and meaning. Shouldn't we be explaining to him (as some
are) that the masculine second person singular and feminine third
person singular have the same form in the imperfect (prefix) forms? I
don't think he needs to know all of the theorizing that goes on behind
the scense -- not at this point. He needs a good introduction to
grammar, and this will come through discovery and deduction, not from
theorizing beyond the apparent structure. Don't you agree?

Regards,
Jason Hare

On 5/11/07, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
> John,
>
> You are on the right track. All you need is just organize and
> systematize your thoughts. I said it before and I will say it again.
>
> 1. The Indo-European languages have thoroughly destroyed the
> structure of their mother tongue. They have bungled their root system
> and forgot all about their original internal system of personal
> pronouns.
>
> 2. For some reason Hebrew is left in nearly pristine form. It is
> nearly as ADAM and EVE invented it in their boundless cleverness
> still fresh from the tree of knowledge.
>
> 3. Every word in the Hebrew language is composed of a root and
> personal pronouns, that's all. Every Hebrew vowel excepting 'A' is a
> personal pronoun. In nouns the personal pronouns refer to the object,
> while in verbs (acts) the personal pronouns refer to the actors.
>
> 3. The (compound) separate personal pronouns ANI, ANOKYI, ATAH, AT,
> HU, HI, ANU, ATEM. HEM, HEN, can not be inserted between the radical
> letters lest they confuse the root.
>
> 4. The word TIRCAX is actually two words that have come close
> together. They are TI-RCAX, where TI is a variant of AT or ATAH
> standing for the actor-addressee. Since TI is gender indifferent
> Hebrew adds (H)YI for the female at the and, TI-RCX-YI. So LO TI-RCAX
> reads exactly as you say it does: "no you kill". For the girls it is:
> "no you kill she". For the many Hebrew adds (H)U, TI-RCX-U, and so
> on. When many speak for themselves they say NI-RCAX, where NI is a
> variant of ANI and ANU. The single speaker contacted ANI to the mere
> E, E-RCAX, "I kill".
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
> On May 10, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Brak wrote:
>
> >  From my understanding whenever a Taw is added to the beginning of a
> > verb it adds the word "you".
> > For example, in the Ten Commandments you have:
> > LO) T.IR:CFX   which would translate "no you kill"
> >
> > Now my question involves the text in Adam and Eve story in Genesis.
> > In Gen 3:2 you have:
> > WA/T.O)MER HF/)I$.FH
> >
> > Now from my understanding it would be translated as "And you said
> > the woman"
> > Now that just seems weird to me. To have "And said the woman" would
> > make
> > much more sense, but you don't have the word )FMAR you have T.O)MER
> >
> > So what is going on here?
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > B"H
> > John Steven
> >
> > "If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you
> > behave."
> > -Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.
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