Biblical Hebrew Forum

["B. M. Rocine" <brocine AT twcny.rr.com>]

Hi Yigal,

Interesting question.  I can't answer it exactly, but I can ask a 
suggestive question of my own.  Did you notice the root play going on 
from 2:1-2:3?

nsh + 2ms suffix = test you
simkah = mirth
sxq = laughing
simxah again
mshk = drawing out
siklut = folly

It sounds like the stuttering of a drunken man!  ;-)  

I think what ever loose associations may come about as a result of the 
root play should be allowed, including your nsk.

Shalom,
Bryan




Yigal Levin wrote:
> Could this lim$ok mean "to annoint", from NSK (nun-samekh-kaph), with a sin 
> replasing the samekh, perhaps influenced by M$X (mem-shin-xet), since both 
> words could have that meaning? We could then read something like "I wandered 
> by my heart to annoint my flesh with wine", as one of the foolish things 
> that he did before discovering what was wise.
>
> Yigal Levin
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> From: "B. M. Rocine" <brocine AT twcny.rr.com>
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> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Eccles 2:3
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>   
> > Hi Pastor Ron,
> >
> > The first clause of the Hebrew Masoretic Text reads:
> >
> > tartiy belibbit limshok bayyayin 'et besariy
> >
> > notice _'et besariy_ at the end.  It means "my flesh" and is the direct
> > object of the infinitive _limshok_, so the entire Hebrew clause has,
> > word-by word
> >
> > I-explored   in-my-heart   to-pull   with-wine   my-flesh.
> >
> > I could take take the idiom "to pull my flesh" to mean "to test my
> > capabilities" or "to see what my body could take."
> >
> > There is some dispute over the Hebrew word _limshok_, the thinking that
> > it should be read _lismok_ "to sustain" or _lesammmex_ "to make happy,"
> > but I think it reads pretty well as _limshok_.
> >
> > My translation: "I ventured to test my capabilities with wine."
> >
> > Hoping to help.
> >
> > Shalom,
> > Bryan
> >
> >
> > Ron Snider wrote:
> >     
> > > I would like to get some input on how one views the syntax of the
> > > infinitive construct of MASHAK and how it is to be translated.  The
> > > normal root meaning seems to be to pull, drag or draw out.  It can come
> > > to mean to extend or prolong, but it that is the case here, it would
> > > seem to indicate extended drinking sessions...I have no problem with the
> > > fact that Solomon may have drank and drank to excess, but is that what
> > > is in view?  As far as the syntax, the NAS understands the infinitive to
> > > mean how to do something, but it could also indicate purpose I think.
> > >
> > > Any insights are appreciated.
> > >
> > > Ron Snider,
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