Biblical Hebrew Forum

[M bauer <tnaswg AT yahoo.com>]

Hebraista/e:
   
  As the starter of this string, I don't wish to convert anyone to any thing. 
The deities know that I have enough on my plate in converting myself.
   
  Regards,
   
  Marc Bauer


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My reading is that it is 3/4 of the 8000 dialects/languages are without any 
of what the Xtians call holy writings. Let us remember that many cultures 
have their own holy writings and call into mind you Xtians what the first 
several verses of Chapter two and the first five or so verse of Chapter 14 of 
Romans says.
   
  Regards,
   
  Marc Bauer
   
  PS: If I am out of line with this, please let me know off-line. I have this 
subscription not for faith reasons, but for learning about Hebrew, where 
there is truly some difference.

Peter Kirk <peter AT qaya.org> wrote:
  On 25/02/2006 21:16, Herman Meester wrote:
> ... I think modern Hebrew is about the only language left
> the Bible has not been translated to!
> 

Sadly this is far from true. According to 
http://www.wycliffe.org/language/statistics.htm,
> *Of the 6,809 languages on earth… /(as of December 2003)/*
> *405* *Languages with adequate whole Bible*
>
> *1034* *Languages with adequate New Testament*
>
There may be some languages with translations of the Hebrew Bible but 
not of the New Testament, but the implication here is that there is no 
translation of the Hebrew Bible into well over 90% of the world's languages.


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Isn't that observation par for the course for the NIV? No disrepect meant.

Bill Rea <bsr15 AT cantsl.it.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:  B-Hebrewers:-

Most English translations render Jeremiah 7:22 something like the
following which comes from the NRSV

7 For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I
did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and
sacrifices.

Last night I noticed the NIV inserted ``just'' into this verse
... I did not just speak ... thus changing the entire meaning of
the verse. I see no justification for this in the Hebrew text. It
looks to me the NIV translators thought they would fix up this
verse. Anyone care to comment?

Bill Rea, IT Services, University of Canterbury \_
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Dear Bill,

>B-Hebrewers,
>
>Thank you to those who replied. It seems some list members share the same
>misunderstanding which appears to have driven the NIV translators into
>``fixing'' this verse. The sacrifices were not invented with the giving of
>the Sinai covenant. Earlier the patriarchs sacrificed (see for example Gen
>15:7-21, Gen 22:13, Gen 31:54 or Gen 46:1).


HH: I don't remember anybody saying that the sacrifices were invented 
with the giving of the Sinai covenant. However, it is probable that 
some of the forms are unique. God gives particular requirements for 
each one which likely would not have been known otherwise.

Yours,
Harold Holmyard