Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>]

Shalom Herman,

You wrote: First, the Hebrew Bible is not Jewish, it is Israelite, and both
what we now know as Judaism and Christianity are largely post-biblical
phenomena.


This depends on what you mean by "Jewish" and "Israelite". While it is true
that what we call "Judaism" was transformed by the destruction of the 
Second
Temple, the religion of the Judeans during the Persian, Hellenistic and
Roman periods was certainly a form of Judaism. These are the people who
wrote most of the Bible and, more importantly, developed the very concept 
of
these books being "scripture". Certainly, that concept did not exist in the
pre-exilic (i.e. "Israelite") period, even is SOME of the books of the 
Bible
may be pre-exilic in origin.
Besides, even those parts of some of the book that MAY be pre-exilic, ALL
exhibit a particularly "Judahite" point-of-view (even if, as some 
theorize),
there are some "northern Israelean" traditions.


As far as your claim that "Jewish Messianic expectations only revived in 
the
Middle Ages, due to Christian influence", this is simply incorrect. What do
you mean by "revived"? When did they stop. Early Christian messianism grew
out of Jewish messianism. And then there was Bar-Kokhba. And the rabbinic
and Geonic liturgy, which is full of Messianaic languages.

Yigal



> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Herman Meester" <crazymulgogi AT gmail.com>
> To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] translation v. interpretation
>
>
> > I am very sorry, but I wasn't thinking of a Bible translation where
> > Messianic prophecies are laid into the texts more than necessary, I
> > thought it would be enough just to try to translate the MT into modern
> > Hebrew as it is.
> >
> > I have nothing against trying to convert Jews to Christianity, but I
> > already thought a few suppositions on the referred website are wrong.
> > First, the Hebrew Bible is not Jewish, it is Israelite, and both what
> > we now know as Judaism and Christianity are largely post-biblical
> > phenomena. Simply because the Oral Torah was only accepted by most
> > people called Jews as authoritative *after* the period the Hebrew
> > Bible/the LXX turned into the "OT" because of Christianity producing
> > the "NT".
> >
> > Judaism and Christianity share one and the same cradle. Jewish
> > Messianic expectations only revived in the Middle Ages, due to
> > Christian influence, and I wonder why exactly Jews should be brought
> > to Christ, why not first those Christians that have no idea what Jesus
> > is all about. After all, even the (politically speaking) most powerful
> > Christian in the world today, has no idea what Jesus really thinks of
> > his moral standards.
> >
> > regards ושלום
> > Herman
> >
> > 2006/2/26, Oun Kwon <kwonbbl AT gmail.com>:
> > > FYI
> > >
> > > Regarding a modern Hebrew translation of the Bible, see a project at
> > >
> > > http://www.messianicbible.com/
> > >
> > > Hope it helps
> > >
> > > Shalom to all in Messiah
> > >
> > > Oun Kwon
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